Originally posted by Rajk999Nah, this time the question was a little different.
If starting a thread will make you happy then do it. You dont need my permission. Basically I put the words of Christ first and foremost in my doctrine regarding eternal life. Christ has the words of eternal life as the Bible says a dozen times. Next come the Apostles. Finally the OT.
By the way you asked me this same question about what church I belong to some months ago. Your memory is not too sharp.
Originally posted by FMFWhen the Two Witnesses are preaching, fire comes from their mouths. It is written in the scripture. Does anyone really think this is what will happen?
"Loss of life" is not what is being discussed here. What is being discussed is the notion of a perpetual state of being burned by flames as a punishment.
It is written, the Word of God is like a fire within you.
What will come from the Two Witnesses will be the Word of God.
The same is as in hell, the Word of God will envelope them. And they like the devil, who has rejected God, will live in the Word, never to receive it.
Originally posted by Rajk999As i said to yoctobyte. You are brothers. He lives in both of you.
If starting a thread will make you happy then do it. You dont need my permission. Basically I put the words of Christ first and foremost in my doctrine regarding eternal life. Christ has the words of eternal life as the Bible says a dozen times. Next come the Apostles. Finally the OT.
By the way you asked me this same question about what church I belong to some months ago. Your memory is not too sharp.
Originally posted by PudgenikSo do you think the notion of being "eternally" tortured by fire (as a punishment for not believing) and suffering in excruciating agony without end (as propagated by some Christians) is a mistaken theological interpretation?
When the Two Witnesses are preaching, fire comes from their mouths. It is written in the scripture. Does anyone really think this is what will happen?
It is written, the Word of God is like a fire within you.
What will come from the Two Witnesses will be the Word of God.
The same is as in hell, the Word of God will envelope them. And they like the devil, who has rejected God, will live in the Word, never to receive it.
-Removed-No it goes beyond that even that, Buddhists have the concept (check out The Wang Saen Suk Hell Garden, Thailand), as well as Hindus and Muslims and many other cultures (Islam has a special place for Christians and Jews where they suffer excruciating punishments for their infidelity and even have a freezer version where instead of being roasted you get frozen). I think the general consensus is that the teaching originated in Babylon and spread from there
The cultures of Mesopotamia (including Sumeria, the Akkadian Empire, Babylonia and Assyria), the Hittites and the Canaanites/Ugarits reveal some of the earliest evidence for the notion of a Netherworld or Underworld.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hell
Originally posted by FMFNo, I think it will be torture not to receive the Word, not to have freedom away from this place. A fire to the mind, spirit and soul.
So do you think the notion of being "eternally" tortured by fire (as a punishment for not believing) and suffering in excruciating agony without end (as propagated by some Christians) is a mistaken theological interpretation?
In the catholic church, there were three children who were given a short vision of hell. My understanding of that story was that they were terrified for months afterwards.
There have been a number of people who say they have witnessed that vision. (yours to believe or not)
Originally posted by PudgenikIn short, everyone exists forever, some in excruciating agony, others not; is that what you're saying?
No, I think it will be torture not to receive the Word, not to have freedom away from this place. A fire to the mind, spirit and soul.
In the catholic church, there were three children who were given a short vision of hell. My understanding of that story was that they were terrified for months afterwards.
There have been a number of people who say they have witnessed that vision. (yours to believe or not)
Originally posted by FMFYes, God made us eternal beings. We will either be with Him in the end or not.
In short, everyone exists forever, some in excruciating agony, others not; is that what you're saying?
Many who think they will be with Him will not, and many who don't know Him and don't think they deserve to be with Him will.
Originally posted by PudgenikSo unbelievers don't necessarily get punished?
Yes, God made us eternal beings. We will either be with Him in the end or not.
Many who think they will be with Him will not, and many who don't know Him and don't think they deserve to be with Him will.