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Originally posted by @tom-wolseyIf you say so. A Christian is one who professes faith
I'll just leave that there. Nothing needs to be added.
Jesus will judge the fake ones.
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Originally posted by @divegeesterThe thing is, including a threat of unending torture eliminates the need to answer questions like “Why is eternal life in heaven supposed to be a plum condition to have? “ if the only available alternative to eternal life in heaven is eternal torture in hell, it’s a no brainer. But if a simple return to non-existence is an available choice, the issues are less clear cut. Why not just let it be a harmless option to let existence terminate? Would that weaken the priests’ control? Would it offend someoe’s sense of justice?
The bottom line is that you, like sonship et al, believe that it is morally acceptable to keep people alive and torture them for eternity.
I absolutely don’t and I think anyone who does has lost their sense of morality, decency and rational thought.
That’s it.
Originally posted by @kellyjayWhat you think may be meaningless KellyJay but what I think is the very essence of me, myself, my being. And I think that your version of Jesus is a monster. I think that because of what YOU believe about him.
What you and I think about such things are meaningless, if true our likes and dislikes do not come into play. The horror of a sinful life I don’t think we can comprehend any more than a fish grasp water. What the weight of our sins actually amounts to is clearly seen by God and why He is dealing with it the way He is should give us a clue what He thinks of evil.
It’s YOUR horrible God, not mine.
22 Jun 18
Originally posted by @divegeesterYour essence is no different than anyone else', a sinner like me and everyone one else.
What you think may be meaningless KellyJay but what I think is the very essence of me, myself, my being. And I think that your version of Jesus is a monster. I think that because of what YOU believe about him.
It’s YOUR horrible God, not mine.
What you think of God is between you and God, not you and me. I view God as Holy,
Just, long suffering trying to save as many as possible from the day of the Lord where
evil and everyone who commits it will stand before God and give an account. My version
of Jesus is He became one of us to save us by taking on all of our sins, so He could give
us His grace and mercy on His righteousness not our own, because on our own we were
dead in our sins unable to do anything about our corrupt nature. For you that is being
a monster, okay.
22 Jun 18
Originally posted by @js357What priest's control?
The thing is, including a threat of unending torture eliminates the need to answer questions like “Why is eternal life in heaven supposed to be a plum condition to have? “ if the only available alternative to eternal life in heaven is eternal torture in hell, it’s a no brainer. But if a simple return to non-existence is an available choice, the issues are les ...[text shortened]... ce terminate? Would that weaken the priests’ control? Would it offend someoe’s sense of justice?
22 Jun 18
Originally posted by @kellyjay to divegeesterFor you ***that*** is being a monster, okay.
Your essence is no different than anyone else', a sinner like me and everyone one else.
What you think of God is between you and God, not you and me. I view God as Holy,
Just, long suffering trying to save as many as possible from the day of the Lord where
evil and everyone who commits it will stand before God and give an account. My vers ...[text shortened]... our sins unable to do anything about our corrupt nature. For you that is being
a monster, okay.
Disingenuous, much?
Your list of "that" deliberately omits the bone of theological contention between you and divegeester.
22 Jun 18
Originally posted by @fmfOur theological contention is basically meaningless compared to the fact that we all stand
[b]For you ***that*** is being a monster, okay.
Disingenuous, much?
Your list of "that" deliberately omits the bone of theological contention between you and divegeester.[/b]
condemned already before God, without Jesus in our lives. Disagreements between people
will not matter without Jesus Christ.
22 Jun 18
Originally posted by @kellyjayThe difference is not "meaningless". If you believe in a torturer god ~ a supernatural being that tortures billions and billions of people forever for a lack of belief or for not being Christians ~ then your god figure is completely different from divegeester's. In terms of nature and character and deed and moral paradigm, your god figure is utterly different. This fact is not "meaningless".
Our theological contention is basically meaningless compared to the fact that we all stand
condemned already before God, without Jesus in our lives. Disagreements between people
will not matter without Jesus Christ.
22 Jun 18
Originally posted by @fmfWell, if what I believe is true that leaves you in one or two places. One you actually
The difference is not "meaningless". If you believe in a torturer god ~ a supernatural being that tortures billions and billions of people forever for a lack of belief or for not being Christians ~ then your god figure is completely different from divegeester's. In terms of nature and character and deed and moral paradigm, your god figure is utterly different. This fact is not "meaningless".
walked with the Lord than rejected Him, in which case you have but one place before
you, if you are over come with sin. Two you were pretending the whole time you claimed
to be a Christian and still have a chance to get right with God, or not. Your beliefs and
mind will not change the reality of what is real not with respect to God, you can deny till
you blue in the face, belittle those you disagree with, but in the end, well those that end
up in the lake of fire are cast there they do not go willingly, and none go for lack of belief
they go because they are sinners, that died in their sins.
22 Jun 18
Originally posted by @kellyjayI am not talking about me ~ nor am I talking about the fact that I don't believe the same things as either you or divegeester. Nice try.
Well, if what I believe is true that leaves you in one or two places. One you actually
walked with the Lord than rejected Him, in which case you have but one place before
you, if you are over come with sin. Two you were pretending the whole time you claimed
to be a Christian and still have a chance to get right with God, or not. Your beliefs and
mind w ...[text shortened]... ngly, and none go for lack of belief
they go because they are sinners, that died in their sins.
No. I am simply observing that you dismissing the difference between a torturer god and a non-torturing god as "meaningless" makes you a commentator it's difficult to take seriously. It's as if you are engaging in self-belittling.
The difference is "meaningless"? Are you for real?
Is the difference between a father who burns his children's arms with cigarettes when he's angry, on one hand, and a father who'd never dream of doing such a thing when he's angry, on the other, "meaningless"?
22 Jun 18
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Originally posted by @kellyjayYour version of Jesus is monster because he tortures billions with flames while deliberately keeping them alive for eternity. Defend it if you can...
Your essence is no different than anyone else', a sinner like me and everyone one else.
What you think of God is between you and God, not you and me. I view God as Holy,
Just, long suffering trying to save as many as possible from the day of the Lord where
evil and everyone who commits it will stand before God and give an account. My version
of Jesus i ...[text shortened]... our sins unable to do anything about our corrupt nature. For you that is being
a monster, okay.
All the rest of your “my god is holy” rhetoric is meaningless waffle and obfuscation in the contex of my statement about apocalyptic eternal torture.
22 Jun 18
Originally posted by @kellyjayI just explained why your version of Jesus is a monster and it was nothing to do with you list of straw man elements in your posts.
if for you that is beinga monster, okay.