Teaching Creationism is a crime.

Originally posted by RJHinds
No, he did not say anything about bananas, so that is not it. The idea here is that atheism is a belief system that has no moral code like Judaism or Christianity. Therefore, atheism does nothing to refrain the atheist from committing acts of evil like murder. Judaism and Christianity have commands against acts of evil such as murder.

Islam is another ...[text shortened]... lief system that is counter to Islam. It is worse than atheism in my opinion.

The Instructor

You really are unbelievably clueless.

Originally posted by Pianoman1
Couldn't quite follow the contorted logic here. None of what you say has any bearing on the thesis: hate is not conquered by hate. Hate is conquered by love. Which is what we we discussing.

I could not agree more, and Jesus Christ provided that for us in away that
clears away all of our excuses to hate, due to the great love God has shown
us while we were at our very WORSE! Jesus died for me in one of the most
nasty manners possible, and rose again! Since Jesus did that for everyone,
I need to treat them with the respect that Jesus deserves, not because of
the sins they do against me, or against anyone else. His love was shed on
us in such away that in order to honor what He did for us, we should love
those around us for Jesus' sake, not for the deeds done to us that could
cause us to hate.
Kelly

Originally posted by Proper Knob
What relevance does that have to anything I've been posting in this thread? Sometimes you make absolutely no sense at all.

I have agreed, Atheism does not order anything in anyone, so in the name
of Atheism nothing happens, it is nothing. That also means it does not drive
towards us to do anything good either, it is nothing! It does not hinder, it
does not drive, it does nothing. So all who ignore God, gods are all acting
out in their Atheism, which may not drive them into acting, but it gives
no reason not to act out either.
Kelly

Originally posted by stellspalfie
i think he's saying that if a man likes bananas and then goes on a killing spree, that unless the bananas stop the man from killing that they are guilty by proxy. atheism didnt stop chairman mao.......so by kellys logic, it might as well have pulled the trigger itself, just like morally redundant bananas

Close, as I pointed out man kills, steals, rapes all out of lust and greed and
restraints upon man's nature isn't in check with Atheism, Atheism does
nothing to man outside of not putting on any restraint on man's nature.
Man will do whatever man wants to do without the great banana stopping
him.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I have agreed, Atheism does not order anything in anyone, so in the name
of Atheism nothing happens, it is nothing. That also means it does not drive
towards us to do anything good either, it is nothing! It does not hinder, it
does not drive, it does nothing. So all who ignore God, gods are all acting
out in their Atheism, which may not drive them into acting, but it gives
no reason not to act out either.
Kelly

Good. We agree Mao, and Pol Pot didn't carry out killings in the name of atheism.

Just to clarify, atheists don't 'ignore God or God's'. We don't believe there is anything to ignore.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Good. We agree Mao, and Pol Pot didn't carry out killings in the name of atheism.

Just to clarify, atheists don't 'ignore God or God's'. We don't believe there is anything to ignore.

I agree following Atheism nothing is done due to it, because there is
nothing there to follow or do. That does not mean that Atheism isn't also
a system that does not have killing done in it, since it removes all the
restraints anyone would normally have, by making them their own guide to
do what they want the way they want, and if that means killing millions or
one to control or have your way, than that's what it means. As I pointed
out our human nature drives all the evil we do, due to our selfishness.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I agree following Atheism nothing is done due to it, because there is
nothing there to follow or do. That does not mean that Atheism isn't also
a system that does not have killing done in it, since it removes all the
restraints anyone would normally have, by making them their own guide to
do what they want the way they want, and if that means killing mi ...[text shortened]... ns. As I pointed
out our human nature drives all the evil we do, due to our selfishness.
Kelly

How can atheism be a 'system that has killing done in it'? When you just said, 'Atheism does not order anything in anyone, so in the name of Atheism nothing happens, it is nothing'.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Hoe can atheism be a 'system that has killing done in it'? When you just said, 'Atheism does not order anything in anyone, so in the name of Atheism nothing happens, it is nothing'.

A belief system is what we use to order our universe, if we believe in God
we will see the world around us and the order God gives. Our views will
be colored by that, if gods the same, we will see gods in the universe
around us, if we ignore God, gods the same thing will happen! We will look
around us and find reasons for everything that has nothing to do with God
or gods and will see patterns or causes to justify everything. We build up
the universe in how we think it works in our minds and use it to walk out
our faith.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
A belief system is what we use to order our universe, if we believe in God
we will see the world around us and the order God gives. Our views will
be colored by that, if gods the same, we will see gods in the universe
around us, if we ignore God, gods the same thing will happen! We will look
around us and find reasons for everything that has nothing to ...[text shortened]... up
the universe in how we think it works in our minds and use it to walk out
our faith.
Kelly

Sorry, but I don't see how that answer sheds any light on the contradiction in your statements I highlighted above.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Sorry, but I don't see how that answer sheds any light on the contradiction in your statements I highlighted above.

I don't see any issue, I agreed that Atheism is nothing, but people who
embrace it are free to do whatever it is they want, nothing is holding them
back, they are their own yard stick to measure what is okay to do and not.
So anyone who rejects God or gods, does whatever they want, from gang
banger to a world leader, and all the deaths they cause are done in that
freedom of no restraint. Which is done in Atheism, no restraint, is freedom
to do whatever our evil human nature desires.
Kelly

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Good. We agree Mao, and Pol Pot didn't carry out killings in the name of atheism.

Just to clarify, atheists don't 'ignore God or God's'. We don't believe there is anything to ignore.

"Just to clarify, atheists don't 'ignore God or God's'. We don't believe there is anything to ignore."

You cut along a nerve with care in delineating a distinction with a difference; I appreciate that clarity of mind.

Originally posted by KellyJay
I don't see any issue, I agreed that Atheism is nothing, but people who
embrace it are free to do whatever it is they want, nothing is holding them
back, they are their own yard stick to measure what is okay to do and not.
So anyone who rejects God or gods, does whatever they want, from gang
banger to a world leader, and all the deaths they cause are do ...[text shortened]... done in Atheism, no restraint, is freedom
to do whatever our evil human nature desires.
Kelly

So 'evil human nature' is responsible for the killings of Mao and Pol Pot and not atheism. Good, we agree, and I can go to bed. 🙂

To clarify again, atheists don't reject God. We don't believe there is anything to reject. Also you seem to have some very strange views on human nature and atheism.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
"Just to clarify, atheists don't 'ignore God or God's'. We don't believe there is anything to ignore."

You cut along a nerve with care in delineating a distinction with a difference; I appreciate that clarity of mind.

Glad I could help.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
So 'evil human nature' is responsible for the killings of Mao and Pol Pot and not atheism. Good, we agree, and I can go to bed. 🙂

To clarify again, atheists don't reject God. We don't believe there is anything to reject. Also you seem to have some very strange views on human nature and atheism.

I don't care how you define a nothing, it is a lack of restraint upon human
nature so all that embrace their lower nature, are acting out just as anyone
without restraint would, in other words an Atheist.
Kelly

Originally posted by Proper Knob
You really are unbelievably clueless.

So you think it is all about bananas?

The Instructor