01 Nov 13
Originally posted by RJHindsI'm not familiar with the "gap" idea everyone keeps talking about. However, God could do what He wants, but He chooses not to. He could just speak His Word to everyone like He did with Moses. But He chooses to use people, places and things to speak for Him. I can say God chooses to use His creation to speak for Him.
There is no room for a gap if it all took place in 6 days like is written in the Holy Bible. If we can't except this clear account as written, why shouldn't Christians doubt everything else written in the Holy Bible like the atheists do?
The Instructor
Privately, God does talk to all of us, individually. Loudly, as in Saul's moment, or Quietly as in Elijias moment. As scripture states.
The bible is written for everyone at all levels of faith. As children, in faith we read it at a certain level. If we never choose to grow in our faith, we never grow into the deeper understanding of scripture.
Yes, God could have created to universe in 6 days. 6 seconds for that matter. Instantly, if you think about it. The true answer to me is not as important as knowing that God did do the creating.
Jesus told the teachers of His day, not the letter of the law, but the spirit of the law. The same principal applies here. The matter of time is not as important as the fact it was created.
01 Nov 13
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Originally posted by RJHindsWhy don't you model yourself to fit into God's mold, instead of modeling God to fit into your mold?
There is no room for a gap if it all took place in 6 days like is written in the Holy Bible. If we can't except this clear account as written, why shouldn't Christians doubt everything else written in the Holy Bible like the atheists do?
The Instructor
You're like that guy in The Princess Diaries, everyone kept telling him "I don't think that word means what you think it does." Only I'm saying to you, "I don't think God's Word means what you think it does."
01 Nov 13
Originally posted by Pudgenik
I'm not familiar with the "gap" idea everyone keeps talking about. However, God could do what He wants, but He chooses not to. He could just speak His Word to everyone like He did with Moses. But He chooses to use people, places and things to speak for Him. I can say God chooses to use His creation to speak for Him.
Privately, God does talk to all of us, ...[text shortened]... same principal applies here. The matter of time is not as important as the fact it was created.
Yes, God could have created to universe in 6 days. 6 seconds for that matter. Instantly, if you think about it.Or 13 billion years, for that matter.
02 Nov 13
Originally posted by SuzianneI think God's word means what it says, my lady. It says nothing about a gap theory.
Why don't you model yourself to fit into God's mold, instead of modeling God to fit into your mold?
You're like that guy in The Princess Diaries, everyone kept telling him "I don't think that word means what you think it does." Only I'm saying to you, "I don't think God's Word means what you think it does."
The Instructor
02 Nov 13
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Originally posted by SuzianneHowever, God told Moses how long it took. God apparently did not fool around for 13 billion years, if we take Him at His word. There is also scientific evidence that granite in the earth had to solidify in less than 3 minutes.Yes, God could have created to universe in 6 days. 6 seconds for that matter. Instantly, if you think about it.Or 13 billion years, for that matter.
http://www.pacinst.com/polonium.htm
Fingerprints of Creation - Dr. Robert Gentry
The Instructor
02 Nov 13
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Originally posted by RJHindsListen it does not say anything about Rapture, but many people accept
I think God's word means what it says, my lady. It says nothing about a gap theory.
The Instructor
it talks about an event that they call Rapture. We don't see the word
dinosaur in it either, but a couple of creatures are described that may
be some, that word wasn't even part of anyone's language when the
scripture was being written. Why argue about something that changes
nothing of note?
Kelly
02 Nov 13
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Originally posted by KellyJayFor the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
Listen it does not say anything about Rapture, but many people accept
it talks about an event that they call Rapture. We don't see the word
dinosaur in it either, but a couple of creatures are described that may
be some, that word wasn't even part of anyone's language when the
scripture was being written. Why argue about something that changes
nothing of note?
Kelly
(1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 NKJV)
Rapture is a word that means this idea of those believers that remain alive being "caught up" in the air to be with the Lord. So even though there may be some unbiblical applications for this rapture, the idea is there. This is not true of the gap theory.
The word dinosaur wasn't even invented until about the 1800's, so one would not expect that word to be used instead of "dragon" and "sea monster" or the exact name we give a specific dinosaur today instead of the name they gave it. Again the idea is there, but not for the gap theory.
Don't be ignorant my brother.
The Instructor
02 Nov 13
Originally posted by RJHindsIf you read what I said, I pointed out that rapture though believed in
[b]For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
(1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 NKJV) ...[text shortened]... he idea is there, but not for the gap theory.
Don't be ignorant my brother.
The Instructor[/b]
was not in scripture and the word dinosaur isn't in scripture, because
the word wasn't around when scripture was written, you basically just
said what I told you.
I can without a doubt point to Gen 1:1 and 1:2 and say there could
be time between the two, and justify it like the other two words we
just discussed. It can be something people see, but is NOT in the
scripture itself as both rapture and dinosaur are. Again, why are you
being so obtuse over this? It changes nothing, God created the universe
either a few thousand years ago or billions and started over with all
things being new. As I told you, we are in agreement that it didn't happen
but to just blow it off as if a case cannot be made for it, isn't wise.
Kelly
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02 Nov 13
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Originally posted by Pianoman1This sounds very reminiscent of the policies of the Atheistic totolitarian regimes of Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, and Mao Zedong who killed millions. Far more died at the hands of Atheism in the 20th century then the previous 19 centuries combined from Christians.
To teach young children today that the world is less than 10,000 years old amounts to the most awful abuse. To warp young minds with the staggeringly ignorant dictum that faith is more important than evidence is more harmful than sexual abuse. To deny the youth of today access to scientific empiricism because it doesn't corroborate a fable written by a wan ...[text shortened]... love of knowledge. I believe the teaching of Creationism in schools to be a very serious crime.
Why so much irrational hate on your part? More harmful than sexual abuse? Really? Where have you read that in psychology?
Wow, I've heard this before and it never ceases to amaze me to what levels of irrational hate people will go to.
02 Nov 13
Originally posted by KellyJayI am wise, because I accept the word of God and God does not allow for a gap theory of millions and billions of years there. God told Moses that the physical creation only took 6 days, which does not allow for a gap of a billion, a million, a thousand, or even a hundred years.
If you read what I said, I pointed out that rapture though believed in
was not in scripture and the word dinosaur isn't in scripture, because
the word wasn't around when scripture was written, you basically just
said what I told you.
I can without a doubt point to Gen 1:1 and 1:2 and say there could
be time between the two, and justify it like the ot ...[text shortened]... it didn't happen
but to just blow it off as if a case cannot be made for it, isn't wise.
Kelly
The Instructor
02 Nov 13
Originally posted by RJHindsI agree with you 6 days, to create this universe!
I am wise, because I accept the word of God and God does not allow for a gap theory of millions and billions of years there. God told Moses that the physical creation only took 6 days, which does not allow for a gap of a billion, a million, a thousand, or even a hundred years.
The Instructor
DO NOT MISUNDERSTAND THAT!
That said, in the beginning could have been another time that God did
a work and the earth was a part of it, and the first day of the restoration
was day one. AGAIN not what I believe in, but it isn't as cut and dry
as your making it.
Kelly
02 Nov 13
Originally posted by RJHinds"I don't see any gap."
I don't see any gap. Genesis 1:1 - 1:5 took place on day 1.
The Instructor
No one would or could unless academically trained in the isagogics, categories and exegesis (ICE Format) of the Hebrew Language of the original text or systematically exposed to a pastor/teacher who had acquired these textual/analytical skills.
02 Nov 13
Originally posted by KellyJayOmnipotent/Omniscient God does create; allow chaos; and restore in His own perfect time consistent with His perfect plan. It's a colossal mistake to summarily dismiss biblical truths we haven't yet been taught and, therefore, fail to understand.
I agree with you, if God does not create, why bother with the rest?
Kelly