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If this is clear and tenaciously argued, if I asked you to explain something about it (whether you subscribe to it or not) could you help me to understand?
There is One God, and One mediator, Jesus Christ. God so loved the world [not Jews or Christians only], that he gave his Son Jesus to die so that .. by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. (Romans 5:18 KJV) [all men - regardless of religion], so that whosoever believeth on Him [with their heart] as evidenced by good works clearly identified by Jesus, For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. (Matthew 25:35-36 KJV), will have everlasting life.
It is clear to you. Right?
@sonship saidI undoubtedly could, having read countless ramrod-consistent and succinctly-crafted Rajk999 posts over the years, yes.
If this is clear and tenaciously argued, if I asked you to explain something about it (whether you subscribe to it or not) could you help me to understand?
But am I going to explain to you what Rajk999 believes? No. You have a sneering and puffed-up sense of self-importance, sonship.
Asking me to explain Rajk999's theology to you? When he's here for you to talk to whenever you want?
This must be an informal fallacy of some kind; I wonder what it's called.
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@fmf said<<I've always thought his theology - though I don't subscribe to it - is clear and tenaciously argued.>>
Way back when, Rajk999 made it crystal clear to me that he's not here to discuss atheism or theism with atheists. Fair enough. He's stuck to that, and I respect him for that choice and for his constancy.
There are only a few posters here I'd quite like to have a beer and bite to eat with one day, and Rajk999 is one of them.
I've always thought his theology - though I don' ...[text shortened]... ted to and brandished in their efforts to assail his cogent and brusquely delivered interpretations.
It’s clear because he ignores 95% of the Holy Bible and reduces Jesus Christ to a good teacher and the entire message of the Bible to, “Do good works. Jesus will judge.”
And it’s only “tenaciously argued” if you consider insulting people, condemning them to hell and ignoring obvious flaws in his false doctrine and refusing to answer questions about those obvious flaws “a tenacious argument.”
@pb1022 saidI disagree. Rajk999's brusque style has little or nothing to do with my estimation of the indefatigable way he promotes his views.
And it’s only “tenaciously argued” if you consider insulting people, condemning them to hell and ignoring obvious flaws in his false doctrine and refusing to answer questions about those obvious flaws “a tenacious argument.”
08 Feb 22
@pb1022 saidIf you want to discuss Rajk999's theology, you're wasting your time moaning to me. Take it up with him directly.
It’s clear because he ignores 95% of the Holy Bible and reduces Jesus Christ to a good teacher and the entire message of the Bible to, “Do good works. Jesus will judge.”
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I undoubtedly could, having read countless ramrod-consistent and succinctly-crafted Rajk999 posts over the years, yes.
. God so loved the world [not Jews or Christians only], that he gave his Son Jesus to die so that .. by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. (Romans 5:18 KJV) [all men - regardless of religion], so that whosoever believeth on Him [with their heart] as evidenced by good works clearly identified by Jesus
He refers to justification of life to all men in Romans 5:18 as the free gift.
Then he refers to the sheep nations and the goat nations of Matthew 25:31-46.
What happened to the free gift of justification of life to all men in the case of the ones (goats) who are told to depart into the eternal punishement?
Do they depart into the eternal punishment WITH the free gifts of justification of life which all men have received?
Explain whether you subscribe or not. Its clear to you.
08 Feb 22
@sonship saidStop being so silly. I am not going to explain to you what Rajk999 believes.
What happened to the free gift of justification of life to all men in the case of the ones (goats) who are told to depart into the eternal punishement?
Do they depart into the eternal punishment WITH the free gifts of justification of life which all men have received?
Explain whether you subscribe or not. Its clear to you.
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If you want to discuss Rajk999's theology, you're wasting your time moaning to me. Take it up with him directly.
Is this now a back peddle from
I undoubtedly could, having read countless ramrod-consistent and succinctly-crafted Rajk999 posts over the years, yes.
UNDOUBTEDLY COULD . . . YES.
A little back peddle now?
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@fmf said<<I undoubtedly could, having read countless ramrod-consistent and succinctly-crafted Rajk999 posts over the years, yes.>>
I undoubtedly could, having read countless ramrod-consistent and succinctly-crafted Rajk999 posts over the years, yes.
But am I going to explain to you what Rajk999 believes? No. You have a sneering and puffed-up sense of self-importance, sonship.
Asking me to explain Rajk999's theology to you? When he's here for you to talk to whenever you want?
This must be an informal fallacy of some kind; I wonder what it's called.
Ramrod consistent? Are you kidding?
For a while there, rajk999 was contradicting himself and revising his false doctrine every day.
First Jesus Christ and His Apostles all preached the same message.
Then the Apostle Paul preached a different message than Jesus.
First Jesus Christ’s blood cleansed believers of their past sins once they accepted Him.
Then atheists get their past sins cleansed even though they reject Jesus. What defines “past sins” for atheists? Who knows?
First only what Jesus Christ says in the Holy Bible matters.
Then only what Jesus Christ said to crowds of people in the Holy Bible matters - what He said to individuals and small groups doesn’t count.
First, belief in Jesus Christ isn’t necessary for salvation (in clear contradiction of the Bible.)
Then belief + good works makes someone a ruler with Christ.
Who gets God’s Holy Spirit and how? Who knows? Christians who think they have God’s Holy Spirit really don’t have Him. Some atheists have God’s Holy Spirit, though. How did they get Him? Who knows?
If Jesus determines who gets salvation after they’re dead, why does the Bible consistently say people can know they’re saved before they die? Who knows?
How much commandment keeping and good works earn salvation? Who knows? God’s keeping that a secret. Jesus will judge.
How did the thief on the cross get salvation when he didn’t do any good works and only expressed belief in Jesus?
Well, see, Jesus saw the thief’s future - what he would have done if he hadn’t been on the cross - and gave the thief a big thumbs-up for all those undone good works.
I could come up with a dozen more contradictions and inconsistencies if I took the time to think about it,
To say rajk999’s doctrine is clear and consistent is ridiculous.
08 Feb 22
@sonship saidYou can only call it "back peddling" if you pretend not to have read the entire post from which you plucked the sentence. Which would be a low-integrity thing to do. And, I see that it is, indeed, what you have done.I undoubtedly could, having read countless ramrod-consistent and succinctly-crafted Rajk999 posts over the years, yes.
UNDOUBTEDLY COULD . . . YES.
A little back peddle now?