Originally posted by RJHindsYou are mistaken. I do not subscribe to any of the conflicting claims that Christians are making on this thread regarding "salvation" and Christ. I am simply responding to assertions that have been made about me, here on this thread and on threads elsewhere. No part of the bible can be said "to describe the way [I] feel about [the concept of "salvation"]."
That seems to describe the way FMF feels about it.
What I am interested in, however, are the contradictions and incoherence of the various versions of the doctrine ~ and also, to a degree, the apparent reticence of some Christians to debate each other directly on this key aspect of their belief. You, for example, appear to be unable [for some unclear reason] to address or confront the 'theology' that FreakyKBH is propagating here even though it differs from yours fundamentally.
Originally posted by RJHindsWell, actually, my question was not about whether you feel what you declare to be important is indeed important to you, but instead what I am asking is whether the difference between your theology and theirs is "unimportant" in terms of Christian theology. Your reluctance to debate them and instead make your remarks to a non-Christian is fascinating.
What I believe is important to me, but whether or not it is important to KellyJay, FreakyKBH, and Grampy Bobby is up to them.
[1] Can "a permanent member of Christ's Royal Family", after dying, be tortured in agony by burning flames for eternity?* Bump for Grampy Bobby *
Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
1. Nope.
So "unbelievers" ~ like me ~ are saved alongside "believers"?
This contradicts statements about "unbelievers" and "eternal torture" that you have made on this forum many times.
-Removed-Surely this is nothing more than a [politer] variant of Kelly Jay's deliberately personalized and tangential "So you are lying now!" gambit which he is using to evade answering the theological question I was asking him. He'd rather go for the "So you are lying now!" thing than break ranks with Christians he presumably disagrees with on this fundamental issue of salvation. I find it fascinating.
I take you at your word when you claim that you are a Christian, divegeester. I take Kelly Jay at his word when he claims to be a Christian. It is fascinating that you cannot take me at my word. It seems your theology ~ like Kelly Jay's ~ relies on something to the effect of the "So you are lying now!" cop out. Some of you Christians on this thread are behaving exactly the same way as galveston75 and robbie carrobie used to when they each made assertions that contradicted each other. They could not bring themselves to break ranks, and just started to "play the man" instead. 🙂
Originally posted by FMFI stated my belief and opinion as clear as I could. I am not reluctant to debate anyone. If they wish to debate me, I will surely reply. However, I see no reason to cause discord among fellow Christian believers by antagonizing them on such an issue as this.
Well, actually, my question was not about whether you feel what you declare to be important is indeed important to you, but instead what I am asking is whether the difference between your theology and theirs is "unimportant" in terms of Christian theology. Your reluctance to debate them and instead make your remarks to a non-Christian is fascinating.
-Removed-I have no convincing reason to believe any of your assertions about a "father" and a "family". I don't see how you insisting your beliefs have an impact on the reality of my life and eventual death is any different from Dasa insisting that beliefs have an impact on the reality of my life and eventual death. You are simply superimposing stuff onto me just as he does.
Grampy Bobby claims that I will gain eternal life even though I am an "unbeliever"; at other times he has claimed that I will burn in hell for being an "unbeliever". FreakyKBH ~ I think ~ is claiming that I am still, somehow, a "believer" because I cannot "un-believe". Kelly Jay is telling me I am "lying". RJHinds seems out of his depth without YouTube clips and unable to enter into a debate with fellow Christians putting forward these contradictory doctrines. robbie carrobie popped in and squirted out a speculative attempted put down. All we need now is sonship to come along and ask me, a non-Christian, "Have you eaten Jesus today?". Quite frankly, you all sound like you're just making stuff up as you go along. 🙂
Originally posted by RJHindsOn such an issue as "salvation" ~ when you are contradicting each other?
I stated my belief and opinion as clear as I could. I am not reluctant to debate anyone. If they wish to debate me, I will surely reply. However, I see no reason to cause discord among fellow Christian believers by antagonizing them on such an issue as this.