21 Aug 22
@fmf saidYou can deny knowledge about the universe if you like; it is true faith doesn't create
Every theist in every religious tradition has "faith" of some kind and to some degree. The details of these feelings of faith are relevant only to those who feel them and those that share them. Faith is not knowledge, per se. Nor does it create anything objective. Instead, it is knowledge of what your own beliefs are about yourself and about a particular God figure.
anything. Our knowledge only identifies the truth about things in existence in the
material and the immaterial parts of the universe.
AnitChrists deny Christ, another common faith with some; we all have faith about
the universe, with it we form our worldviews, we decide what is true, real, important
or meaningless. Some things are very binary, true or false. Our views/opinions are
either based on truth or not; we are either rightly grasping things as they are, or we
are mistaken and blind to them.
@kellyjay saidWhat "knowledge about the universe" do you think I am denying?
You can deny knowledge about the universe if you like; it is true faith doesn't create
anything. Our knowledge only identifies the truth about things in existence in the
material and the immaterial parts of the universe.
21 Aug 22
@kellyjay saidIf your faith in Christ prevents you from feeling "meaningless", then I suggest you stick with it.
AnitChrists deny Christ, another common faith with some; we all have faith about
the universe, with it we form our worldviews, we decide what is true, real, important
or meaningless.
21 Aug 22
@kellyjay saidFilling the gaps in human knowledge with theological narratives and nostrums does not create knowledge.
Our knowledge only identifies the truth about things in existence in the
material and the immaterial parts of the universe.
If you believe you have identified "identifies the truth about things in existence", so be it.
It has no bearing on the question of whether death is the end, for example.
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21 Aug 22
@fmf saidI just wasn’t sure if you held onto parts of your Christian walk to get to the open mindedness towards another possibility that more so fits into your structure.
What does "the line of Christianity cut off" mean?
I’m not trying to trick you into anything or any kind of banter, just conversation and curiosity.
21 Aug 22
@mike69 saidWhile I think some of the teachings attributed to Jesus by the people who started Christianity are a good basis for a morally sound life, I no longer think that Christians, with the God figure they describe, have any credible information for me [other than allegory] about a creator entity, assuming one exists.
I just wasn’t sure if you held onto parts of your Christian walk to get to the open mindedness towards another possibility that more so fits into your structure.
When it comes to supposed divine communication, I have reached the same conclusion about all the "revealed" religions. I no longer subscribe to the claims that Christians make about themselves and about the identiity of Jesus based on ancient texts.
22 Aug 22
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@fmf saidDo you consider yourself somewhat of a Deist?
While I think some of the teachings attributed to Jesus by the people who started Christianity are a good basis for a morally sound life, I no longer think that Christians, with the God figure they describe, have any credible information for me [other than allegory] about a creator entity, assuming one exists.
When it comes to supposed divine communication, I have reached t ...[text shortened]... laims that Christians make about themselves and about the identiity of Jesus based on ancient texts.
"de·ism
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noun
"belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who does not intervene in the universe. The term is used chiefly of an intellectual movement of the 17th and 18th centuries that accepted the existence of a creator on the basis of reason but rejected belief in a supernatural deity who interacts with humankind."
"Many of the founding fathers—Washington, Jefferson, Franklin, Madison and Monroe—practiced a faith called Deism. Deism is a philosophical belief in human reason as a reliable means of solving social and political problems."
"Who was the most religious founding fathers?
the largest group consisted of founders who retained Christian loyalties and practice but were influenced by Deism. They believed in little or none of the miracles and supernaturalism inherent in the Judeo-Christian tradition."
(The Faiths of the Founding Fathers. Author. David L. Holmes)