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@kellyjay said
You can only speculate; with
that, assuming your correct in what we can know.

I am, as you say, offering my opinion about the cognitive nature of faith, just as you are offering your opinion about how you "know" you are immortal, you have a man who's been stone dead for 2,000 years "inside" you, and I am going to be supernaturally tortured forever after I die for not sharing these religious beliefs of yours. Yes, indeed. There is no limit to what you can claim you "know".

@kellyjay said
You may think everything I say is about you, I can refer to anything and anyone,
all things and everyone, and not be about you.

divegeester asks you about me and you answer him in your trademark disingenuous way and now... you are running away. Typical low-integrity.

@fmf said
divegeester asks you about me and you answer him in your trademark disingenuous way and now... you are running away. Typical low-integrity.

It’s boring isn’t it.
The transparent pridefulness is cringy at times.

@kellyjay said
@Indonesia-Phil
Yes

Yes what? Yes you are a Christian or not? That can be said of anybody.

@indonesia-phil said
Yes what? Yes you are a Christian or not? That can be said of anybody.

Yes, I am; I could have said no, to clear it up, yes.

@divegeester said
Nice dodge!
Here again is what you needed to respond to…

So you “take him at his word” as once being a Christian… but only as long as what he says meets your personal criteria for being one?

If it were my personal criteria, I'd be like you, giving him my feelings on the matter
instead of the Biblical criteria.

@fmf said
I am, as you say, offering my opinion about the cognitive nature of faith, just as you are offering your opinion about how you "know" you are immortal, you have a man who's been stone dead for 2,000 years "inside" you, and I am going to be supernaturally tortured forever after I die for not sharing these religious beliefs of yours. Yes, indeed. There is no limit to what you can claim you "know".

I take you at your word; you believe the faith isn't true now! When you held it, you
were running under some deception of your mind. So now that has been owed up
to, you admit it was only a psychological deception when you held the beliefs
nothing more and now offer up an anti-Christ stance.

You don't like the idea that everyone will stand and give an account to the God
who created everything and everyone, including the air we breathe and think
Him holding us accountable for what we have done and said against Him and
those He loves is unacceptable. You reject the idea that He could love His
enemies and die for them, taking on all our guilt to make us righteous.

@kellyjay said
I take you at your word; you believe the faith isn't true now!

My faith was absolutely real. Just as yours is. Have you not read or understood any of my posts?

@kellyjay said
You don't like the idea that everyone will stand and give an account to the God
who created everything and everyone, including the air we breathe and think
Him holding us accountable for what we have done and said against Him and
those He loves is unacceptable.

I know it's your religious belief but I just don't share it. It's not about whether I "like" or "don't like" your God figure or whatever actions or feelings you just so happen to attribute to him. I have no credible reason to believe, as you do, that "everyone will stand and give an account" to the God figure you believe in.

@kellyjay said
You reject the idea that He could love His
enemies and die for them, taking on all our guilt to make us righteous.

I just lack belief in the creator entity that you describe.

@kellyjay said
Yes, I am; I could have said no, to clear it up, yes.

What's interesting is that, if you apply to yourself the "logic" that you apply to me, you cannot claim you are a Christian. Not yet, anyway.

@fmf said
I just lack belief in the creator entity that you describe.

You should meet Him, believing in Him is not the same as believing Him.

@kellyjay said
You should meet Him, believing in Him is not the same as believing Him.

I know full well what the tenets of your faith are. I used to have the same beliefs, KellyJay. You "believe in Him". Check. You are utterly convinced you are "believing Him". Check. It's bog-standard Christian faith. What's intriguing is how you are unwittingly demonstrating how [subconsciously?] insecure you are about it all.

@fmf said
My faith was absolutely real. Just as yours is. Have you not read or understood any of my posts?

Stop comparing yourself to me you know what you had and you made choices. Beyond that you speculate!

@kellyjay said
Stop comparing yourself to me you know what you had and you made choices. Beyond that you speculate!

We have both experienced Christian faith in our lives.