13 Feb 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI wouldn't know - which is one of the reasons I asked. So it appears that you do not "resort to violence", but what about the rest of your criticism:
would i kill someone if they did not adopt my religious views, would i kill them once they had adopted them and decided they wanted to change, would i go to other cities and give them letters of fire and sword, stating that if they did not accept my religious views then they would be destroyed, would i make it a capital offense to criticize my religi ...[text shortened]... out my religious decree, promising them happiness in the afterlife if they did so, well would i?
" there is a complete unwillingness to accept that it could in any sense be wrong, and not only that it is not founded on reason but indoctrination, thus when you ask a Muslim to reason they are at a complete loss, become emotional and defensive,"
13 Feb 09
Originally posted by Bosse de Nageyes absolutely, infact were not even the apostles of Christ wrong on many occasions and needed correction? also Paul in his wisdom states,
You're being emotional and defensive instead of reasonable right now.
Do you accept that your religion could be wrong?
When I was a babe, I used to speak as a babe, to think as a babe, to reason as a babe; but now that I have become a man, I have done away with the traits of a babe. For at present we see in hazy outline by means of a metal mirror, but then it will be face to face. At present I know partially, but then I shall know accurately even as I am accurately known.
1 Corinthians 13:11,12
therefore even at present there are inaccuracies and refinements that need to be made!
as for whether i was emotional and defensive, i dunno?
13 Feb 09
Originally posted by twhiteheadoh Whitey my friend what about it?
I wouldn't know - which is one of the reasons I asked. So it appears that you do not "resort to violence", but what about the rest of your criticism:
[b]" there is a complete unwillingness to accept that it could in any sense be wrong, and not only that it is not founded on reason but indoctrination, thus when you ask a Muslim to reason they are at a complete loss, become emotional and defensive,"[/b]
14 Feb 09
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieYes, all Muslims are the same, whether they're from Bradford or Beira. Meet one, you've met them all đ
one does not need to go to a predominately Muslim country to meet with Muslims does one?
It's idiotic to claim to understand what's happening in Somalia 'from experience' when you haven't once set foot there.
I've met scores of Scots but I wouldn't claim to have experience of Scotland. And I've met many Somalis in Cape Town but that doesn't give me much idea of the conditions they've fled.
14 Feb 09
Originally posted by Bosse de Nagebla de blah and fla de flah, its a very old philosophical argument, whether to actually know something one needs to experience it, is it not? for there are many things in life we take upon trust, is there not? therefore you're taking exception to whether Rakk999 has set foot in Somalia is neither here nor there, for he has taken it upon trust that the source from which he received the information was trustworthy.
Yes, all Muslims are the same, whether they're from Bradford or Beira. Meet one, you've met them all đ
It's idiotic to claim to understand what's happening in Somalia 'from experience' when you haven't once set foot there.
I've met scores of Scots but I wouldn't claim to have experience of Scotland. And I've met many Somalis in Cape Town but that doesn't give me much idea of the conditions they've fled.
no one is saying all Muslims are the same, infact they are as diverse in beliefs and culture as anyone else, although no doubt there may be certain universal characteristics, like the Scots for example, our egalitarian sensibility is generally universal, although not in all cases, and no one can draw stereotypical images with any certainty!
when i meet Muslims in my community i have great empathy for them, this is true empathy and not condescension, for i truly believe they are a very sincere people, not all, but generally, and this is despite Islam, for i truly believe it is devoid of spirituality and is governed by perfunctory rituals and unjust laws (e.g. Muta and Halale) to name but a few, and offers no comfort nor any real hope. Muslims i can empathize with, Islam i cannot stomach!
14 Feb 09
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie"bla de blah and fla de flah, its a very old philosophical argument, whether to actually know something one needs to experience it, is it not?"đ”
well thank goodness for that! for my opinions are dictated from my own perceptions and personal experience, yours from book learning, cya!