05 Feb 09
Originally posted by Rajk999Thank you for all your references Rajk999.
UN Report :
Have you noticed that at no point do your references support your claim:
More than 2 million Christians in Sudan have been killed by the nation's militant Islamic regime in recent years.
So were you mistaken, lying or mislead?
05 Feb 09
Originally posted by black beetleWhat exactly the purpose of this post? Is it to prove that Muslims can share in a porn movie. Did I say there nothing like that?, all what I said is how many.
Edit:
"what humanity? How many Muslims did you see in a porn movie before. If that the humanity you are defendinf then yes I am attacking it"
Well I have see not Muslims participating in porn movies, and not only because I see not porn movies.
It seems to me that there are not Muslim porn actors because the fanatics of your lot are killing th ...[text shortened]... ainst Islam? Is it a real incident? Do you agree with this reaction of those specific Muslims?
Is it to show that Islam is against women rights? Which is the clear purpose of the article?
I will say it is rubbish. Stoning for both women and men if they committed the crime of adultery with the conditions required to accuse them with the crime. So the if the writer or you try to use this to prove that Islam against women then it will be a twisting of facts, and a lie.
Is it to show how savage Muslims are?
I already know your opinion about that. And you refuse my answers to this because you assume that I'm preaching. So what can I do.
If I tried to explain you call preaching!!
And if I don't answer you will say I'm not answering you and start making assumption,
And now I see you and Rajk99, building a nice dialoge about how bad Islam is.
So you already knows the answers, and have your preassumption that you will not accept anything other than it, what do you want?
Do you want me to be like you? Are you preaching?
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What is your opinion, ahosyney? Is this all a propaganda against Islam? Is it a real incident? Do you agree with this reaction of those specific Muslims?
Yes, I don't know, yes
05 Feb 09
Originally posted by ahosyneyI normally fight not against what is ugly, darling. I never accuse the people merely because they have a different opinion than mine. I do not accuse nobody, even those who are accusing. I just look away and I keep up living without giving them the permission to walk in my mind with their dirty boots. But you have gone far beyond any possible interpretation of the word “ugly”.
[b]My first question was:
-- "What do you think of the Nigerian women and girls that still end up stoned to death by Muslims?"
Your answer at that thread shows clearly that you are a religionist who enjoys seeing people dying for nothing. Your religionism is just your excuse to promote these monstrosities and walk away.
I did answer that question b ...[text shortened]... assume that others will agree with you. That is a type of brainwashing.[/b]
Your fundamentalism is the reason why you don’t even blink whenever the women and the girls in Nigeria and elsewhere are condemned to death under Sariah by a flock of religionist morons, who they have not the slightest relation with the essence of justice. You don’t even blink simply because in your opinion they are adulterers or "porns", thus killing them is fine because “Qur’an says so”.
You are a religionist, you back up discrimination and murder in the name of your denomination, and then you wave this bloody flag of yours and you keep up attacking the common sens and them there helpless people because you are sure that this way you serve the “ultimate truth”. This attitude of yours, which is not an opinion anymore but pure activism due to your preaching, this exact attitude is what I call BS big time.
You pretend you are a great scholar, however you are unable to do your work at multiple levels in order to learn yourself and to avoid your delusions, your egoism and your fanaticism. It seems to me that this non-humanistic attitude of yours has to do with your stubbornness and your inner ignorance, for you appear to be sure that, every individual who lives with his free will his life by a way that is against your religionist beliefs, has to die under Sariah because “…Qur’an says so”.
You simply ignore that the quest of the Human for a better future must lead to a world in which the people should neither be forced to sacrifice their life merely for a religionist delusion, nor they should be pushed to cause the death of other human beings that they just choose freely to live differently than them.
I bow to the Islam reflected by the spirit of Khayyam and Rumi, not to individuals lead by the nose by a flock of seriously derailed imams like the ones behind the Jyllands-Posten incident. These individuals are merely eager to kill in the name of their “personal truth”. I am ready to oppose these individuals and to destroy the cells that keep their malignant spirits in form anytime.
05 Feb 09
Originally posted by black beetleYour fundamentalism is the reason why you don’t even blink whenever the women and the girls in Nigeria and elsewhere are condemned to death under Sariah by a flock of religionist morons, who they have not the slightest relation with the essence of justice.
I normally fight not against what is ugly, darling. I never accuse the people merely because they have a different opinion than mine. I do not accuse nobody, even those who are accusing. I just look away and I keep up living without giving them the permission to walk in my mind with their dirty boots. But you have gone far beyond any possible interpreta ...[text shortened]... these individuals and to destroy the cells that keep their malignant spirits in form anytime.
In this thread I said:
I was explaining what Islam say to show out that the Nigerian who stone a girl is wrong.
and in then later I said:
I was explianing that those who kill their wives, daughters just if they suspect then are wrong.
I don't know how much should I be more clearer to say that I'm against that so that you say what you said. If you want to show me ugly it is ok, but don't lie.
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You don’t even blink simply because in your opinion they are adulterers or "porns", thus killing them is fine because “Qur’an says so”.
I was trying to say that Quran don't say so, but again, you lie.
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You pretend you are a great scholar,
Where did I do that? I only said I'm a muslim who had a chance to study. Talking from Quran and Hadith that you don't know anything about doesn't mean I'm a scholar.
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You simply ignore that the quest of the Human for a better future must lead to a world in which the people should neither be forced to sacrifice their life merely for a religionist delusion, nor they should be pushed to cause the death of other human beings that they just choose freely to live differently than them.
This paragraph is a bunch of lies about me, and punch of forcing of your opinion on the others.
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I think after this short paragraph about me, there no more to be said.
Any argument that is based on lies and twisting of words doesn't worth it.
05 Feb 09
Originally posted by ahosyneyYou said simply that this specific "law" of Sariah is a provisional "law" and that this "law" itself is fine, and that the sole problem you see about this crap is that the people misuse it! Go back to that old thread and spot again your own posts in order to remember your claims.
[b]Your fundamentalism is the reason why you don’t even blink whenever the women and the girls in Nigeria and elsewhere are condemned to death under Sariah by a flock of religionist morons, who they have not the slightest relation with the essence of justice.
In this thread I said:
I was explaining what Islam say to show out that the Nigerian w ...[text shortened]... said.
Any argument that is based on lies and twisting of words doesn't worth it.
All your cosmotheory has to do with Qur'an and Hadith the way Salaf, your denomination, see them. You keep up repeating "god said this" and "god said that", having the delusion that this poor "god" wants just to mingle with the tits and tats of the Human. This is preaching of the worst taste.
After your wise answers "yes, I don't know, yes", I will ask you this last question: Do you believe too that Imad Mughniyeh was a great warrior?
Finally, I offer you my view to Islam through Rumi's vision. Who knows, maybe the light of his spirit has the power to penetrate the darkness of salafism:
I need a lover and a friend
All friendships you transcend
And impotent I remain
You are Noah and the Ark
You are the light and the dark
Behind the veil I remain
You are passion and are rage
You are the bird and the cage
Lost in flight I remain
You are the wine and the cup
You are the ocean and the drop
While afloat I remain
I said, "O Soul of the world
My desperation has taken hold!"
"I am thy essence," without scold,
"Value me much more than gold."
You are the bait and the trap
You are the path and the map
While in search I remain
You are poison and the sweet
You are defeated and defeat
Sword in hand I remain
You are the wood and the saw
You are cooked, and are raw
While in a pot I remain
You are sunshine and the fog
You are water and the jug
While thirsty I remain
Sweet fragrance of Shams is
The joy and pride of Tabriz
Perfume trader I remain.-
05 Feb 09
Originally posted by twhiteheadMaybe a bit of all.
Thank you for all your references Rajk999.
Have you noticed that at no point do your references support your claim:
[b]More than 2 million Christians in Sudan have been killed by the nation's militant Islamic regime in recent years.
So were you mistaken, lying or mislead?[/b]
I did find out though that of the roughly 2M deaths, most were Chrisitans. Its not possible to accurately tally these things. The authorities would just go by the word of mouth of the relatives but in many cases entire villages were wiped out and most were Christian.
05 Feb 09
Originally posted by Rajk999Can you show me one source that backs that up? All the sources I look up say that most were Muslim. I am also fairly sure that many of them were not killed by "the nation's militant Islamic regime".
Maybe a bit of all.
I did find out though that of the roughly 2M deaths, most were Chrisitans. Its not possible to accurately tally these things. The authorities would just go by the word of mouth of the relatives but in many cases entire villages were wiped out and most were Christian.
05 Feb 09
Originally posted by joelgeorgeThis forum has proven one thing. There are two liars in this forum Rajk99 and Black Beetle, both uses lies to prove their ideas.
Hi All, Is the Discussions Over?? Did you conclude who is greater than whom according to the Proofs?? Who is finall greater than whom JESUS or MUHAMMAD??
05 Feb 09
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Originally posted by twhiteheadDo you expect him to show you anything. In all cases I need no more to know that he is a liar, I'm still waiting for him to show where are the seven places in Quran where we can find 'Al Ard Al Mokadasa'.
Can you show me one source that backs that up? All the sources I look up say that most were Muslim. I am also fairly sure that many of them were not killed by "the nation's militant Islamic regime".