Jehovah's Witnesses Refuse to Serve in the Military

Originally posted by Doward
A Christian's loyalty and committment belongs to the kingdom of God first, last and always. I see no scriptural justification for condemning them because they refuse to be a part of the military or government. It is a matter of conscience, and that is after all the whole point of the new covenant. (Hebrews 10).

There is no scriptual bases for them to condemn me for being part of the
military and the government; yet they have tried to add to and twist scripture
to do just that. I have pointed this out on another thread. I have been trying
to defend my faith and belief that it is not a sin to serve in the Military or the
government and that scripture does not say we should be NO PART of this
world, meaning to serve in the goverments. It is a good thing that not all
people believe as they do for we would have no governments because no
person would be willing to serve. This is Satanic and antichrist propaganda
for Christ meant no such thing.

Originally posted by RJHinds
This is Satanic and antichrist propaganda
for Christ meant no such thing.

Satanic?

Originally posted by RJHinds
Unlike the Jehovah's Witnesses who refuse to serve in the military Desmond
Doss, a seventh Day Adventist, served as a conscientious objecter in the U.S.
Army assigned to the Medical Detachment, 307th Infantry, 77th Infantry Division.

He was the first conscientious objector to receive the Medal of Honor.

After a heavy concentration of artillery, morta ...[text shortened]... allantry far above and beyond the call of duty.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Doss

During WWI two Hutterite brothers (Michael and Joseph Hofer), who refused to comply with the draft, were tortured and died from mistreatment in Fort Leavenworth Military Prison. Their absolute pacifism and refusal to wear the uniform of the US military made them martyrs for their faith.

Would you consider them more or less worthy of praise than Desmond Doss?

Originally posted by FMF
Satanic?

Well, the Holy Bible says the purpose of governments if to provide for
the welfare of the people and the idea to refuse to serve is a Satanic
idea to destroy the governments that God establishes.

Originally posted by RJHinds
Well, the Holy Bible says the purpose of governments if to provide for
the welfare of the people and the idea to refuse to serve is a Satanic
idea to destroy the governments that God establishes.

Conscientious objection is a Satanic idea?

Originally posted by rwingett
During WWI two Hutterite brothers (Michael and Joseph Hofer), who refused to comply with the draft, were tortured and died from mistreatment in Fort Leavenworth Military Prison. Their absolute pacifism and refusal to wear the uniform of the US military made them martyrs for their faith.

Would you consider them more or less worthy of praise than Desmond Doss?

They should not have been tortured if what you say is true.
But I don't see that they did anything worthy of praise. In
fact it seems they refused to do anything. To follow a false
teaching should never gain anyone praise. We must follow
the truth. I think Desmond Doss followed the true spirit of
the teaching of Christ.

Originally posted by RJHinds
They should not have been tortured if what you say is true.
But I don't see that they did anything worthy of praise. In
fact it seems they refused to do anything. To follow a false
teaching should never gain anyone praise. We must follow
the truth. I think Desmond Doss followed the true spirit of
the teaching of Christ.

What false teaching did they follow?

Originally posted by FMF
Conscientious objection is a Satanic idea?

No, Desmond Doss was a conscientious objector and he still served in
another way and I believe he was blessed by God for it. It is doing
nothing that is Satanic. It is like the parable of the talents in which
the evil servant hid the talent and did nothing with it.

Originally posted by rwingett
What false teaching did they follow?

I do not know these men. I was only going by what you told me.
So if they were taught by a religious teacher that they should not serve
in the military or the government in any capacity then they were
following a false teaching.

Originally posted by RJHinds
No, Desmond Doss was a conscientious objector and he still served in
another way and I believe he was blessed by God for it. It is doing
nothing that is Satanic. It is like the parable of the talents in which
the evil servant hid the talent and did nothing with it.

You suggested that the bible states that conscientious objection on the part of Christians you disagree with is a Satanic idea. That's what I am referring to. Pretending I am referring to Desmond Doss is just a waste of a post.

Originally posted by rwingett
What false teaching did they follow?

it as yet remains unanswered.

Originally posted by RJHinds
I think Desmond Doss followed the true spirit of the teaching of Christ.

So I presume that you too refuse to kill while in the military?

Originally posted by FMF
Your OP and follow up posts strike me as a bit gratuitous and not especially 'spiritual' in nature. I think an attack like this probably belongs on the Debates Forum, as you seem intent - in your bitter spirit of Christian infighting - on being pointed and personal rather than seeking any spiritual insight or consensus.

Like anyone's trying to reach a consensus on this forum. How boring that would be ..

Originally posted by RJHinds
I do not know these men. I was only going by what you told me.
So if they were taught by a religious teacher that they should not serve
in the military or the government in any capacity then they were
following a false teaching.

Roughly 5,000 JW's died in concentration camps in WW2. They refused any manner of military service, and it was their pacifism that got them interned. They were given the option of release if they disavowed their faith and swore to take up weapons and protect the fatherland, but few if any did. Should they have simply served in the German army? Was this pacifism Satanic?

Originally posted by karoly aczel
Like anyone's trying to reach a consensus on this forum. How boring that would be ..

I think a consensus that Christians simply don't need to accuse each other of being Satanic, in some kind of twisted display of theolomachismo, would not be boring in the slightest.