Originally posted by Proper KnobThat is what our founding fathers believed and their purpose for freedom
I'm not sure what any of that has do with what we were discussing. America was not founded to be a Christian nation, you're only response to my rebuttal was 'well, that's what a lot of people here believe'.
of religion was mainly concerned with escaping the restrictions of the
Church of England so that they would be free to practice Christianity as
they pleased. It was basically about freedom to practice Christianity and
no other religion came into consideration at that time.
Originally posted by RJHindsYou are so clueless Ron it's unbelievable -
That is what our founding fathers believed and their purpose for freedom
of religion was mainly concerned with escaping the restrictions of the
Church of England so that they would be free to practice Christianity as
they pleased. It was basically about freedom to practice Christianity and
no other religion came into consideration at that time.
"the government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Religion."
Does that ring any bells?
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Originally posted by Proper KnobIts nice to say that but the truth of the matter is that the prevailing religious beliefs of a society influences the laws of a country. The teachings of Islam finds its way into the laws of the Muslim countries eg the death penalty for adultery. In India becuase of Hinduism, it is illegal to kill a cow in many states. Do you think its any different in Christian countries?
You are so clueless Ron it's unbelievable -
"the government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian Religion."
Does that ring any bells?
Originally posted by Rajk999That maybe case, but the Founding Fathers in no way intended America to be a Christian nation as Ron alleges. In fact, looking at quotes from these men indicates they had some quite disparaging points of view about Christianity.
Its nice to say that but the truth of the matter is that the prevailing religious beliefs of a society influences the laws of a country. The teachings of Islam finds its way into the laws of the Muslim countries eg the death penalty for adultery. In India becuase of Hinduism, it is illegal to kill a cow in many states. Do you think its any different in Christian countries?
Originally posted by Proper KnobThis is a diplomatic effort to assure a Muslim country that we wished to make
Article 11 - Treaty of Tripoli.
I suggest you go and read up.
a treaty with that our federal government would not use the religion of
Christianity to make any decisions regarding the treaty as Muslim governments
often do. It is clear they must have been concerned that we were a Christian
nation and that we would also use religion to interpret the treaty.
Some religious spokesmen such as David Barton claim variously that — despite
unanimous ratification by the U.S. Senate in English — the text which appears
as Article 11 in the English translation does not appear in the Arabic text of
the treaty, that though the English phrase is not an untrue statement since
it is referring to the federal government, a number of the founders described
America as a Christian nation, or that the quotation is based on an incomplete
reading of Article 11.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli
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Originally posted by RJHindsI know what it is. The text is there for all to be read.
This is a diplomatic effort to assure a Muslim country that we wished to make
a treaty with that our federal government would not use the religion of
Christianity to make any decisions regarding the treaty as Muslim governments
often do. It is clear they must have been concerned that we were a Christian
nation and that we would also use religion to inter ...[text shortened]... based on an incomplete
reading of Article 11.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Tripoli
Now about that accusation of lying. Are you going to apologise?
Originally posted by Proper KnobI do not believe you meant to lie. So yes, I will apologize for that.
I know what it is. The text is there for all to be read.
Now about that accusation of lying. Are you going to apologise?
However, half-truths and not presenting the whole truth can appear
as a lie. Many of the cults take statements in the Holy Bible out of
context and it appears to say what they claim it says. That is the
same as presenting half-truths and not presenting the whole truth.
In the end it becomes as a lie.