15 Oct 19
@philokalia saidWhy forbid women from assuming leadership roles? So what if they are different from men? So what if the leadership they provided was imbued with different temperament and character? How is it justified that men use their control of institutional power to exclude and prevent them from being leaders?Women scored much higher than in men in Sensitivity, Warmth, and Apprehension, while men scored higher than women in Emotional Stability, Dominance, Rule-Consciousness, and Vigilance.
15 Oct 19
@philokalia saidYour points "which are rooted in science" do not address my question.
If you don't want to discuss the points that I have brought up which are rooted in science, then just say so. You don't have to make half a dozen embarrassingly elusive posts.
15 Oct 19
@philokalia saidI'll just settle for a head-on answer to the question I have put to you.
Do you have any point you want to make -- do you have any argument with any backing, or are you just going to make the same accusations over & over again, and provide tiny soundbytes & bad takes?
15 Oct 19
@fmf saidSo, this is the last response because you wasted so much time with fruitless questions and an interrogative stance that got you nowhere. I am not going to play the shell game with you and answer dozens of questions that lead nowhere.
Why forbid women from assuming leadership roles? So what if they are different from men? So what if the leadership they provided was imbued with different temperament and character? How is it justified that men use their control of institutional power to exclude and prevent them from being leaders?
It is clear why the characteristics of the male temperament are ideally suited for church leadership -- changelessness and doctrinal rigor are essential to passing something down indefinitely.
Just look at the last again:
Women scored much higher than in men in Sensitivity, Warmth, and Apprehension, while men scored higher than women in Emotional Stability, Dominance, Rule-Consciousness, and Vigilance.
We see how one is conducive to family life and potentially many other occupations, and the second set is perfectly suited to what is demanded of our situation.
And, at this point, I know you understand, and I just won't be bothered to be interrogated in senseless directions over it.
I'll check back in a week or two and if you have said something with a cool head that furthers discussion, I will reply.
15 Oct 19
@philokalia saidThanks so much for your overly patriarchal, parochial, narrow-minded, condescending outlook on women as anything more than concubines of men and breeders of children. Hardly surprising that the writers of the New Testament got this one so spectacularly wrong. I'm pretty sure that if Jesus had been a woman, they'd have missed his entire message as blatantly as they got this one wrong.
I'd point out that:
- The 10% overlap is extremely small. Some of the overlap will also be men overlapping with women. So, what amount of women actually overlap significantly with the male psychological profile? If it was right down the middle, it'd be 5%.
- Even given that number, the role of women as the primary caretakers of children (something recognized by sec ...[text shortened]... what?[/quote]
It's very fundamentally different and this is vital to the health of the church. ^^
15 Oct 19
@suzianne saidMy view of women is that...
Thanks so much for your overly patriarchal, parochial, narrow-minded, condescending outlook on women as anything more than concubines of men and breeders of children. Hardly surprising that the writers of the New Testament got this one so spectacularly wrong. I'm pretty sure that if Jesus had been a woman, they'd have missed his entire message as blatantly as they got this one wrong.
They are the mother of God.
https://tomperna.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/theotokos-orans.jpg
I invoke the Holy Theotokos, the Ever-Virign Mary, to save us.
I pray that the Logos flows through you and gives you the mercy & charity necessary to understand the nuance of my view and of gender complimentarianism in general. ^^ You do not have to change your mind, but respect would be nice.
Tolerance does not have to be a one-road street.
15 Oct 19
@philokalia saidYes, I get it. Men and women are different. I havent asked "dozens of questions". I've been asking just one, and it'snot "senseless". Here it is: why should women be barred from leadership roles?
So, this is the last response because you wasted so much time with fruitless questions and an interrogative stance that got you nowhere. I am not going to play the shell game with you and answer dozens of questions that lead nowhere.
It is clear why the characteristics of the male temperament are ideally suited for church leadership -- changelessness and doctrinal rigo ...[text shortened]... now you understand, and I just won't be bothered to be interrogated in senseless directions over it.
15 Oct 19
@philokalia saidMy recognition that men and women are different will be waiting for you in two weeks, unchanged. And my question, still unanswered, will still be waiting for you in two weeks. This one: why should women be barred from leadership roles?
I'll check back in a week or two and if you have said something with a cool head that furthers discussion, I will reply.
15 Oct 19
@philokalia saidI get that you prefer men for the job. But what justifies the use of the institutional power, which is monopolized by men, to prevent women [who want to be involved in church leadership] from participating in things like handling doctrine and passing the faith down to future generations?
It is clear why the characteristics of the male temperament are ideally suited for church leadership -- changelessness and doctrinal rigor are essential to passing something down indefinitely.
15 Oct 19
@philokalia saidI will not show respect towards anyone who shows none to my sisters.
My view of women is that...
They are the mother of God.
https://tomperna.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/theotokos-orans.jpg
I invoke the Holy Theotokos, the Ever-Virign Mary, to save us.
I pray that the Logos flows through you and gives you the mercy & charity necessary to understand the nuance of my view and of gender complimentarianism in general. ^^ You do not ...[text shortened]... to change your mind, but respect would be nice.
Tolerance does not have to be a one-road street.
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15 Oct 19
@suzianne saidI’m sure why anyone is surprised at Philokalia’s attitudes in this thread, they guy is a blatant racist and it is of non surprise to me that he is also sexist.
Thanks so much for your overly patriarchal, parochial, narrow-minded, condescending outlook on women as anything more than concubines of men and breeders of children. Hardly surprising that the writers of the New Testament got this one so spectacularly wrong. I'm pretty sure that if Jesus had been a woman, they'd have missed his entire message as blatantly as they got this one wrong.
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15 Oct 19
@suzianne saidWhy do you have to use the term “sisters”?
I will not show respect towards anyone who shows none to my sisters.
15 Oct 19
@divegeester saidI didn't "have to".
Why do you have to use the term “sisters”?
Perhaps you meant "choose to"?