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02 Jan 20
06 Jan 20
@divegeester saidI did read your post in its entirety, and you're entirely wrong about the Godhead.
If you can read my post and reply to the explanation I've given it it's entirety rather than attempting to avoid it, it would be appreciated.
Now go read my reply to it and try to tell me where I'm wrong.
06 Jan 20
@sonship saidFrom you, its either copied diatribes or childish trolling.
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Fantastically original !
Give it a rest.
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From you, its either copied diatribes or childish trolling.
Give it a rest.
Game is over. My point is made.
Now where were we?
Hebrews 1 shows the Son is Jehovah God by quoting among other things Psalm 102 that He is the eternal Creator.
No diatribes needed.
And NOBODY has a refutation of the fact. Including you wiseguy.
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06 Jan 20
Now, if I sent my representative to a meeting, he wouldn't 'become me.' He would only ever be my representative, a separate person in his own right. No?
Certain things are true of you and I which may not be true with the uncreated, infinite and eternal life - God.
I would think that that should be elementary.
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06 Jan 20
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Game is over. My point is made.
Now where were we?
Hebrews 1 shows the Son is Jehovah God by quoting among other things Psalm 102 that He is the eternal Creator.
Excuse me (or don't) - That point that Psalm 102 proved Jehovah was Jesus the Son of God was made in the thread on Jesus IS Jehovah not here.
06 Jan 20
@sonship saidHebrews 1 primarily exhorts Jesus’ standing as firstborn over all creation and how much more important he is than the angels, to the extent that he exactly represents God. (Hardly a ringing declaration that He is the same being as the father). It links to Colossians 1:15, NIV:
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Now where were we?
Hebrews 1 shows the Son is Jehovah God by quoting among other things Psalm 102 that He is the eternal Creator.
No diatribes needed.
And NOBODY has a refutation of the fact. Including you wiseguy.
"The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation."
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06 Jan 20
Hebrews 1 primarily exhorts Jesus’ standing as firstborn over all creation and how much more important he is than the angels, to the extent that he exactly represents God. (Hardly a ringing declaration that He is the same being as the father). It links to Colossians 1:15, NIV:
"The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation."
The issue here, getting serious now, is whether Paul meant that the FIRST created thing was Christ.
If you believe that that is what Paul MEANT then quite much elsewhere in the Bible has to be considered as a lie.
If you believe that Paul meant something different from the chronologically FIRST thing God created, then that agrees with many other passages.
If God created Christ in Colossians first of all else He created then John 1:1 lies - "the Word [was not] God". It was WITH God - A SOME POINT, But the Word was not God. He was not the same God with whom He was with.
YOU have to decide which you are going to believe.
It seems to me that you have three positions to decide upon:
1.) You believe that there never was, never is, never will be God.
2.) If there is God, Christ is the first THING He made. So no allegiance is necessary to Christ.
3.) Seeminigly, least desireable of all - the Christ is God and your Lord.
You Ghost, are a funny kind of Atheist. If the danger of the Lordship of Christ comes close, you'd rather throw your hat in with Arians, Moslems, Jehovah's Witnesses, or the Jews who rejected that Christ was "God with us" - Emmanuel.
06 Jan 20
@sonship saidActually, I pick an amalgamation of 1 and 2.
It seems to me that you have three positions to decide upon:
1.) You believe that there never was, never is, never will be God.
2.) If there is God, Christ is the first THING He made. So no allegiance is necessary to Christ.
3.) Seeminigly, least desireable of all - the Christ is God and your Lord.
You Ghost, are a funny kind of Atheis ...[text shortened]... ehovah's Witnesses, or the Jews who rejected that Christ was "God with us" - Emmanuel.
As an atheist, I obviously believe there never has been a God, but as an academic am still able to objectively decipher the meaning of religious texts, such as the bible. In doing this with Hebrews 1, I conclude that Jesus was indeed the first thing made by God (the firstborn over all creation) but this does not equate as 'no allegiance is necessary to Christ.' After all, Jesus tells us in John 14:6 that 'No one can come to the Father except through me.'
06 Jan 20
@ghost-of-a-duke saidFirstborn is a right in a lineage, not just an order of birth. Coupled with all the other things written about Christ, He is not a created being. Everything not God was made/created by God, and there was nothing made without Christ.
Hebrews 1 primarily exhorts Jesus’ standing as firstborn over all creation and how much more important he is than the angels, to the extent that he exactly represents God. (Hardly a ringing declaration that He is the same being as the father). It links to Colossians 1:15, NIV:
"The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation."