@fmf saidWell, you seem to be stuck, unable to look past your nose, and the reality you live in isn't set up to serve your wants, desires, and even your sense of right and wrong. Subjective judgments all revolve around you, your likes, dislikes, how you measure this or that, how much weight you give this and not that. While the objects, be they a text or person, stand apart from your views and, regardless of how you think about the object, will be what it is even if you find it distasteful. Objective truth isn't governed by our subjective notions and assertions. As we can misjudge things in this life, erroring in the reasons for being here and what is to come has dire consequences.
You believe you have given me fair and credible warning about some "hard facts"?
10 Feb 22
@kellyjay saidChalk it up to "nurture". You have absorbed all this from your environment.
Well, you seem to be stuck, unable to look past your nose, and the reality you live in isn't set up to serve your wants, desires, and even your sense of right and wrong. Subjective judgments all revolve around you, your likes, dislikes, how you measure this or that, how much weight you give this and not that. While the objects, be they a text or person, stand apart from your ...[text shortened]... d, regardless of how you think about the object, will be what it is even if you find it distasteful.
@fmf saidChalk it up to a theory of a possible reason for morals. When speaking about morals, all nurture is one possibility for explaining something that the material world has not to clue about.
Chalk it up to "nurture". You have absorbed all this from your environment.
@fmf saidThe mechanism driving those is what, outside of design, you only have pipe dreams. Something someone thought up, nothing more another assertion between the ears of someone.
There are two elements to how we become moral agents: "nature" and "nurture".
@kellyjay saidYou sound like you're inadvertently talking about your own religious beliefs.
The mechanism driving those is what, outside of design, you only have pipe dreams. Something someone thought up, nothing more another assertion between the ears of someone.
"Outside of design, you only have pipe dreams"?
So says the guy who thinks his beliefs about himself will make him immortal!
@fmf saidOutside of design, all you have are fantasies, one fantasy building upon another, all of it springing from between the ears. Your nature and nurture justification is built upon a belief that dead matter somehow became alive and started evolving into something much more complex without anything caring about it, directing, without a plan or purpose. Speculation given credit as if it were a hard fact, while it is just another assertion based upon nothing witnessed, just assumed. While a designed process can produce such things, we can see that in everything we build.
You sound like you're inadvertently talking about your own religious beliefs.
"Outside of design, you only have pipe dreams"?
So says the guy who thinks his beliefs about himself will make him immortal!
@kellyjay saidYour mystification and bafflement transformed into "hard facts,". I see what you did there. Thanks.
Outside of design, all you have are fantasies, one fantasy building upon another, all of it springing from between the ears. Your nature and nurture justification is built upon a belief that dead matter somehow became alive and started evolving into something much more complex without anything caring about it, directing, without a plan or purpose. Speculation given credit as ...[text shortened]... t assumed. While a designed process can produce such things, we can see that in everything we build.
@fmf saidIt is still something objective scripture, and nothing but a subjective theory, the whole evolution of getting to nature and nurture is all between the ears. There isn't a mechanism we can point to that shows us how it would start, just stories of what may have happened.
Your mystification and bafflement transformed into "hard facts,". I see what you did there. Thanks.