Spirituality
06 Mar 19
The rise of the new Flat Earth movement is quite astonishing. (Check out their website!)
I have often wondered why mature and intelligent people who have at least a smattering knowledge of science still hold archaic and medieval beliefs like a Six-Day Creation, a global flood, and reject evolution.
Now at least some people have the courage to go the whole nine yards and accept the literal model of the three-tiered Old Testament cosmology as well. It is the logical next step.
My challenge to the RHP SF Fundamentalist Christians (e.g. Kelly Jay, secondson, sonship, philokalia and others) is simply this:
1. Do you believe that the earth is flat? (If yes, good for you, at least you are consistent. Skip the next question )
2. If not, why not, since the OT clearly describes a three-level universe, with waters above and below the firmament, heaven above and hell below, etc?
@caljust saidI genuinely can't bring myself to look at such a website.
The rise of the new Flat Earth movement is quite astonishing. (Check out their website!)
I have often wondered why mature and intelligent people who have at least a smattering knowledge of science still hold archaic and medieval beliefs like a Six-Day Creation, a global flood, and reject evolution.
Now at least some people have the courage to go the whole nine yards an ...[text shortened]... a three-level universe, with waters above and below the firmament, heaven above and hell below, etc?
Too depressing.
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@caljust saidI watched a Netflix documentary a week or so ago called 'Behind the curve'. It was really interesting, especially listening to psychologists discuss why they think people end up believing in a flat earth. Towards the end a group of them accidently prove that the earth is a globe, but just decided to pretend it never happened.
The rise of the new Flat Earth movement is quite astonishing. (Check out their website!)
I have often wondered why mature and intelligent people who have at least a smattering knowledge of science still hold archaic and medieval beliefs like a Six-Day Creation, a global flood, and reject evolution.
Now at least some people have the courage to go the whole nine yards an ...[text shortened]... a three-level universe, with waters above and below the firmament, heaven above and hell below, etc?
06 Mar 19
@caljust saidHmm. I'll play.
The rise of the new Flat Earth movement is quite astonishing. (Check out their website!)
I have often wondered why mature and intelligent people who have at least a smattering knowledge of science still hold archaic and medieval beliefs like a Six-Day Creation, a global flood, and reject evolution.
Now at least some people have the courage to go the whole nine yards an ...[text shortened]... a three-level universe, with waters above and below the firmament, heaven above and hell below, etc?
2. The levels could all be curved.
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Hehe, good one.
Seriously though, what in your opinion makes belief in a flat earth different from belief in a six-day creation? Both are clearly in the Bible.
I don't follow it at all.
What I know is just by word of mouth from a few people. I was told that it started as a tongue in cheek imitation of young earth creationism.
Like "OK if you're going to claim that kind of literalism we can start a movement to argue for a flat earth just as well. "
But I don't know for certain of the origins of the pop movement.
Strictly speaking the Hebrew says God MADE asah - (Exodus 20:11) the earth and heaven in six days. It doesn't use the word usually translated create asah. It could have. Why not then? I suspect the Spirit of God is precise and it is made and not created in six days.
But there is also debate over the overlapping of the two Hebrew terms bara for CREATE and asah for MADE.
Some argue that it is CREATED in six days. Some say, No, it says MADE as in more like formed, shaped, fashioned in six days. The word is used for trimming nails, preparing a meal, cutting a beard elsewhere. That is as working with pre-existing material.
I lean towards this latter interpretation. Something was damaged and MADE or restored in six days.
I don't follow the flat earth controversy.
06 Mar 19
@ghost-of-a-duke saidA disc?
@CalJust
Doesn't Isaiah 40:22 hint at a globe?
'It is he who sits above the circle of the earth, and its inhabitants are like grasshoppers; who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, and spreads them like a tent to dwell in.'
06 Mar 19
@stellspalfie saidSo what was the consensus? Why DO people ignore reality?
I watched a Netflix documentary a week or so ago called 'Behind the curve'. It was really interesting, especially listening to psychologists discuss why they think people end up believing in a flat earth. Towards the end a group of them accidently prove that the earth is a globe, but just decided to pretend it never happened.
07 Mar 19
@caljust saidIt has taken a while but it has finally happened..
The rise of the new Flat Earth movement is quite astonishing. (Check out their website!)
I have often wondered why mature and intelligent people who have at least a smattering knowledge of science still hold archaic and medieval beliefs like a Six-Day Creation, a global flood, and reject evolution.
Now at least some people have the courage to go the whole nine yards an ...[text shortened]... a three-level universe, with waters above and below the firmament, heaven above and hell below, etc?
I've been called a fundamentalist on this website, lol.
I don't believe the world is flat.
I don't believe the Bible contends the world is flat.
07 Mar 19
@caljust saidI think you are reading more into the text than is actually there; the Earth is a globe and yet still has waters above and below it’s firmament. Of course when viewed from space and in its globular glory the very terms “above” and “below” become somewhat moot.
2. If not, why not, since the OT clearly describes a three-level universe, with waters above and below the firmament, heaven above and hell below, etc?
@stellspalfie saidI maintain that many, most, if not all (although sadly it won’t be all of them) don’t believe the earth is flat at all; for some it is an exercise in intellectual one-upmanship. @FreakyKBH is one such person here at RHP.
I watched a Netflix documentary a week or so ago called 'Behind the curve'. It was really interesting, especially listening to psychologists discuss why they think people end up believing in a flat earth. Towards the end a group of them accidently prove that the earth is a globe, but just decided to pretend it never happened.
07 Mar 19
@bigdoggproblem saidAh beat me too it, and more succinctly to boot.
Hmm. I'll play.
2. The levels could all be curved.