@hakima saidHey, that's five pages ago. That's "a pretty old drama to bring into here". Ha ha.
It is...on Page 1
Both terms were used.
I suppose that covers all bases, right?
Edit: Ow. I just realized that I had started this thread Thread 186294 2 weeks ago and this one's OP could have been posted there.
03 Aug 20
@hakima saidOh, you were also confused about that -- you thought that invoking humanity and humanitarianism were the same thing?
It is...on Page 1
Both terms were used.
I suppose that covers all bases, right?
I apologize and try to be more clear next time. ^^
03 Aug 20
@philokalia saidIt's still not clear why you stated something blatantly untrue about having used the word "humanitarianism".
Oh, you were also confused about that -- you thought that invoking humanity and humanitarianism were the same thing?
I apologize and try to be more clear next time. ^^
03 Aug 20
@fmf saidOh, sorry, sir -- I had actually clarified this a bit on page 3.
It's still not clear why you stated something blatantly untrue about having used the word "humanitarianism".
Humanity is the concept; humanitarianism is the concept of being devoted to the welfare of humans.
They are related ideas, but invoking humanity is the key concept. Not invoking humanitarianism.
I had also pointed out what is the key concept -- invoking humanity, and claimign to be acting on behalf of humanity.
So sorry for the confusion.
03 Aug 20
@philokalia saidNo. It wasn't confusion. You were being untruthful and evasive. And you still are.
So sorry for the confusion.
03 Aug 20
@fmf saidI disagree.
No. It wasn't confusion. You were being untruthful and evasive. And you still are.
But what can I say? If you believe that is the case, it is a shame if I contributed to misleading you this way.
Maybe you've read too far into this.
03 Aug 20
@philokalia saidPerhaps a more honest approach would have been to say "I did say humanitarianism" rather than to say "I did not say humanitarianism" and to then clumsily try to pass it off as being someone else's "confusion". Just saying.
This is actually wrong -- I did not say humanitarianism.
03 Aug 20
@fmf saidAw, but you see, humanitarianism was never the focal point.
Perhaps a more honest approach would have been to say "I did say humanitarianism" rather than to say "I did not say humanitarianism" and to then clumsily try to pass it off as being someone else's "confusion". Just saying.
It's OK. This isn't an important issue.
What do you think of the idea? Doesn't it match well with your OP?
Or do you honestly need an example to understand this?
03 Aug 20
@philokalia said@philokalia said: Person B then says something that is also divisive and full of ill will of their own, this time towards Person A.
Person A says something divisive and that holds ill will towards many, including Person B.
Person B then says something that is also divisive and full of ill will of their own, this time towards Person A.
Is "saying something that is divisive and full of ill will" one of your practical, real-world definitions of "dehumanization"?
03 Aug 20
@philokalia saidBut you said "I did not say humanitarianism" when, in fact, you had. What you claim was or wasn't "the focal point" is neither here nor there.
Aw, but you see, humanitarianism was never the focal point.
03 Aug 20
@philokalia saidAll you have offered so far is a kind of propaganda and then danced and dodged and danced and deflected when asked to offer examples. So, yes, I think your examples would illustrate what you mean by the terms "dehumanize" or "dehumanization".
Or do you honestly need an example to understand this?
03 Aug 20
@philokalia saidI think your notion about "dehumanization" might be hyperbole and partisan rancour of an utterly ludicrous kind. But you are being secretive and defensive about giving examples of what you mean.
What do you think of the idea? Doesn't it match well with your OP?
03 Aug 20
@fmf saidNo
@philokalia said: Person B then says something that is also divisive and full of ill will of their own, this time towards Person A.
Is "saying something that is divisive and full of ill will" one of your practical, real-world definitions of "dehumanization"?