Do we need God to make sense of life?

@fmf said
Whether I did "cultivate" it or whether I did not "cultivate" it ~ or whether I did "grow" it or whether I didn't "grow" it ~ is none of your business.

You’ve answered my question to my satisfaction.

No need to continue.

@pb1022 said
You’ve answered my question to my satisfaction.

Good. Like I have been saying, what I decided to do and what I didn't decide to do about what I was going through ~ how hard I struggled to hang on to my faith or how little I did ~ how many days and weeks and months of contemplation or how few there were ~ how many people I went to for counsel or how few there were ~ how many conversations into the night I had about it or how few I had ~ how much I prayed or how little I did ~ all this personal information, absolutely none of it is any of your business.

@pb1022 said
<<Faith is your bag, not mine.>>

No, it’s your bag too.

You have faith that life came from non-life, that consciousness came from mindlessness and that order came from chaos.

<<My understanding is knowledge and evidence-based,>>

See above.

<<and I'm open to modifying this understanding when new information comes along.>>

As long as that new information doesn’ ...[text shortened]... statement is absurd. Even secular Biblical scholars believe Jesus Christ existed and was crucified.

Give me one tangible piece of evidence, here in this thread, to evidence the resurrection of Christ. Just one.

Something that matches the tangibility of a fossil or a dinosaur bone.


Yes, you can say Bob Jones saw it happen, or Bob Jones wrote down at the time that it happened, but I could do the same with Fred Clark and his witnessing of the Yeti. None of that is evidence. It is merely words of other men, often with their own agenda at play.

@pb1022 said
You’ve answered my question to my satisfaction.

No need to continue.

But he said this to you pages and pages and pages ago, and you weren’t satisfied then.

@divegeester said
But he said this to you pages and pages and pages ago, and you weren’t satisfied then.

His continued refusal to answer my question actually answers my question.

Sorry that flew over your head at the height of a 747.

@divegeester said
But he said this to you pages and pages and pages ago, and you weren’t satisfied then.

Whoooosh

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@ghost-of-a-duke said
Give me one tangible piece of evidence, here in this thread, to evidence the resurrection of Christ. Just one.

Something that matches the tangibility of a fossil or a dinosaur bone.


Yes, you can say Bob Jones saw it happen, or Bob Jones wrote down at the time that it happened, but I could do the same with Fred Clark and his witnessing of the Yeti. None of that is evidence. It is merely words of other men, often with their own agenda at play.

I'd say all the documentation through the centuries talking about this guy who should have been a forgotten figure in time, from the gospels to the changing of the world through Him, is a biggie. It is enormous that people who knew Him wrote about what they beheld and rather die than recant their stories. Almost all world religions acknowledge Him in one way or another; how we view time BC/AD. Large numbers of institutes of higher learning were founded due to this guy's impact on the world, even if they are now drifting off in materialism.

He was born among animals because they had no place, by parents who had Him out of wedlock according to the story, grew up, and had a three-year ministry, He persecuted and was killed by the religious leaders of the day and the Romans as was countless others, why did He stand out? People come and go, but there is Jesus.

@fmf said
Q: Do we need God to make sense of life?

Thoughts?

Without God you wouldn't have a life.

The rest of your post and this thread is all blah blah blah.

@josephw said
Without God you wouldn't have a life.

Regardless of whether or not that is true, people with theist beliefs and people without theist beliefs are able to make sense of their lives. For theists, this "sense" [purpose, structure, meaning] will often come from their religious beliefs. However, people without theist beliefs are also able to define their own purpose, structure, and meaning.

@fmf said
Regardless of whether or not that is true, people with theist beliefs and people without theist beliefs are able to make sense of their lives. For theists, this "sense" [purpose, structure, meaning] will often come from their religious beliefs. However, people without theist beliefs are also able to define their own purpose, structure, and meaning.

You’re not acknowledging that God helps believers overcome adversity and get through difficult times.

@fmf said
Regardless of whether or not that is true, people with theist beliefs and people without theist beliefs are able to make sense of their lives. For theists, this "sense" [purpose, structure, meaning] will often come from their religious beliefs. However, people without theist beliefs are also able to define their own purpose, structure, and meaning.

If here is all there is, you have a point, and if there is more and it lasts throughout eternity, this life is nothing compared to that which is coming.

@kellyjay said
If here is all there is, you have a point, and if there is more and it lasts throughout eternity, this life is nothing compared to that which is coming.

If believing this helps you to make sense of life, then so be it.

@fmf said
Regardless of whether or not that is true, people with theist beliefs and people without theist beliefs are able to make sense of their lives.

To what end?