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@josephw saidTo learn, to teach, to love and be loved. The "end" is death. The fact that life presents us with a finite opportunity to do these things makes it all the more precious.
To what end?
@josephw saidTo learn, to teach, to love and be loved. The "end" is death. The fact that life presents us with a finite opportunity to do these things makes it all the more precious.
To what end?
@fmf saidThe end isn't "death" for believers.
To learn, to teach, to love and be loved. The "end" is death. The fact that life presents us with a finite opportunity to do these things makes it all the more precious.
@josephw saidIf your belief that this is true is what you need to make sense of life, then that's fine.
The end isn't "death" for believers.
@fmf saidWhat makes sense of life is knowing the author of life.
If your belief that this is true is what you need to make sense of life, then that's fine.
@josephw saidI know many people ~ and have lived among many, many more people my whole life long ~ who make sense of life in more or less the same way as you do.
What makes sense of life is knowing the author of life.
@fmf saidIt’s not about “making sense of life.”
If your belief that this is true is what you need to make sense of life, then that's fine.
@fmf saidIf God created life, then not knowing Him would make making senses of life meaningless.
I know many people ~ and have lived among many, many more people my whole life long ~ who make sense of life in more or less the same way as you do.
If you would not be able to make sense of life without "knowing" your God figure - the author of life, as you put it - and without the belief that death is not the end, then that's OK.
But your spiritual/psychological needs - ...[text shortened]... have no bearing on the sense that non-believers make of their lives. And this works vice versa too.
@pb1022 saidThe fact that they see God figures as simply filling people's psychological needs rather than being a reality is precisely why and/or because they are atheists. It's not them being "screwed up" at all.
This is where atheists are so screwed up. They think God simply fills some psychological need in a human being rather than being a reality.
@josephw saidIf I thought your Christian God figure created life, I would undoubtedly believe that "knowing" him would make sense of my life.
If God created life, then not knowing Him would make making senses of life meaningless.
@fmf saidWell, actually, it is them being screwed up because they’re pushing their beliefs onto Christians and then arguing from the position that Christians have those beliefs.
The fact that they see God figures as simply filling people's psychological needs rather than being a reality is precisely why and/or because they are atheists. It's not them being "screwed up" at all.
@pb1022 saidI don't have any problem discussing the beliefs that Christians hold as they have no bearing on the reality in which I perceive myself to be living. I am not "pushing" any beliefs on you. What I am doing, however, is pointing out that non-believers do not need God figures to make sense of their lives.
Well, actually, it is them being screwed up because they’re pushing their beliefs onto Christians and then arguing from the position that Christians have those beliefs.
@fmf saidYou’re doing more than that.
I don't have any problem discussing the beliefs that Christians hold as they have no bearing on the reality in which I perceive myself to be living. I am not "pushing" any beliefs on you. What I am doing, however, is pointing out that non-believers do not need God figures to make sense of their lives.
@pb1022 saidI am saying that religious beliefs give people a sense of purpose, structure and meaning in their lives and so their belief in God and their belief in an afterlife help them make sense of their lives. I am not "pushing" anyone to do anything.
You’re arguing that Christians believe in God to make sense of their lives. You’re pushing your false and erroneous beliefs onto Christians and then claiming Christians have those beliefs.
@pb1022 saidI have never met a Christian whose beliefs didn't give them a sense of purpose, structure and meaning in their lives.
I have yet to meet a Christian who believes in God to make sense of his or her life as you have falsely claimed in this thread.
@fmf said<<I am saying that religious beliefs give people a sense of purpose, structure and meaning in their lives and so their belief in God and their belief in an afterlife help them make sense of their lives.>>
I am saying that religious beliefs give people a sense of purpose, structure and meaning in their lives and so their belief in God and their belief in an afterlife help them make sense of their lives. I am not "pushing" anyone to do anything.