Cult I was born into finally exposed.

@petewxyz said
Wow, a field of strawmen. 😆

I disagree.

When religious ritual is incorporated into sexual abuse it seems to often take the form of the perpetrator suggesting they are somehow dealing with evil located within the victim.

You may see this as being tackled by talking about how "cultures need a moral, spiritual, possibly religious philosophy that makes it possible or even likely people will speak out."

I think it's tackled by laws and services - law enforcement, judicial, health, mental health etc. - and the involvement of more women in decision making roles. Shifts in "religious and philosophical notions of shame, guilt and judgement" will occur in the wake of changing practical facts on the ground.

@dj2becker said
Even more fascinating for me is that FMF within a framework of moral relativism is insisting this his views on what a rape victim should or shouldn’t have done is the only view that is absolutely spot on.

You are free to disagree with my opinions. Just as you are also free to think my analysis is "spot on" if you want.

Meanwhile, your own personal moral "framework" gives your views [on what your family did or didn't do] what basis exactly?

A holy one? A self-sanctified one? A religious one? A supernaturally-inspired one? One you claim is rooted in "objective absolute truth"?

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My parents only found out many years after it happened. By that time the perpetrator was already in prison.

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I think he has said that before. (When pressed on the issue).

I found it more curious he divorced himself from the psychological effects, which clearly damaged other cult members.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
I think he has said that before. (When pressed on the issue).

I found it more curious he divorced himself from the psychological effects, which clearly damaged other cult members.

Probably because FMF was just using the cult to have a dig at me. All I’m saying is that many people got off worse than I did. You are free to read into that what you wish.

@dj2becker said
Probably because FMF was just using the cult to have a dig at me. All I’m saying is that many people got off worse than I did. You are free to read into that what you wish.

In these situations people need a kick in the butt, a slap in the face, a cussout ... whatever you want to call it, for them to do the right thing.

@rajk999 said
In these situations people need a kick in the butt, a slap in the face, a cussout ... whatever you want to call it, for them to do the right thing.

We could call this brand of Christianity, WAWJK.

"Whose Arse Would Jesus Kick?"

@dj2becker said
Probably because FMF was just using the cult to have a dig at me. All I’m saying is that many people got off worse than I did. You are free to read into that what you wish.

I was referring to the original conversation (of which I was part). It seems odd that you reported on the deep psychological abuse of the cult while presenting yourself as completely immune to it.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
I was referring to the original conversation (of which I was part). It seems odd that you reported on the deep psychological abuse of the cult while presenting yourself as completely immune to it.

In denial at the time possibly? Always easier to suppress memories than to face them I’m told.

@dj2becker said
In denial at the time possibly? Always easier to suppress memories than to face them I’m told.

But you were in denial when we last discussed this.

@bigdoggproblem said
We could call this brand of Christianity, WAWJK.

"Whose Arse Would Jesus Kick?"

According to Christ there are many people who will be in that group.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
I was referring to the original conversation (of which I was part). It seems odd that you reported on the deep psychological abuse of the cult while presenting yourself as completely immune to it.

Where the abuse is of a psychological nature, and it disguises itself as a means to a higher goal (e.g., as penitence on the road to salvation), people may not recognize it as abuse, or the effect it is having on oneself (imagined immunity), while it is going on. The most insidious form of torture is the one which calls itself "love" and makes the victim want more of it.

I have known people who endured abusive marriages for years and who came to recognize the abuse, and the effects it was having on them, only in retrospect, with the help of professional counselling.

Where the abuse is/was part and parcel of an ideology, the later memory of it is likely to be distorted by the ideology; one does not get free of an ideology in one swell foop. One often needs to gain a certain distance from an ideology in order to see it for what it is. Coming to see it for what it is is a process; it is a long and stoney road deconstructing a toxic, dysfunctional mindset and reconstructing a more healthy and functional one.