06 Nov 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieAgain your answer bears no relation to my question. Are you doing this deliberately?
ok then, my lollipop lady must be a politician, she is part of civil government and
engages as a consequence in politics, and is the man who takes away the rubbish,
also, not to mention, my GP and the dinner lady who makes custard and sponge cake
at school,
weak, real weak PK.
06 Nov 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieDo you accept that civil government is political?
ok then, my lollipop lady must be a politician, she is part of civil government and
engages as a consequence in politics, and is the man who takes away the rubbish,
also, not to mention, my GP and the dinner lady who makes custard and sponge cake
at school,
weak, real weak PK.
A yes or no will suffice.
06 Nov 12
Originally posted by Proper Knobnot only is it relevant I provided you with a detailed example of how true Christians run
Again your answer bears no relation to my question. Are you doing this deliberately?
things, you can apply this example to any of the processes that you mentioned, but you
seem, intent on making the most insignificant detail a matter of politics, its a
nonsense!
06 Nov 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou provided an example of how True Christians construct a building. That is hardly a detailed example of 'running things'.
not only is it relevant I provided you with a detailed example of how true Christians run
things, you can apply this example to any of the processes that you mentioned, but you
seem, intent on making the most insignificant detail a matter of politics, its a
nonsense!
06 Nov 12
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Originally posted by Proper Knobthe civil government is run ultimately by politicians and local government, but the
Do you accept that civil government is political?
A yes or no will suffice.
dinner lady hardly seems to me to be a part of the political process. she was chosen
probably by a head cook, who in turn probably is in consultation with the headmistress,
who in turn, is in consultation with all kinds of local government officials, so it has
different levels and a yes or no answer is simply insufficient to describe it accurately.
If the dinner lady seems to you to be part of the political process then so be it, I think
that while she is employed by local government, she is not politicising anything other
than pizza on Fridays and fish and chips on Wednesdays.
06 Nov 12
Originally posted by Proper Knobits an example of organisational structure, of compliance with regulations, of
You provided an example of how True Christians construct a building. That is hardly a detailed example of 'running things'.
management, of cooperation, of human resources and i could go on.
06 Nov 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhat's a dinner lady got to do with anything? I've not mentioned a dinner lady. Why are you talking about a dinner lady?
the civil government is run ultimately by politicians and local government, but the
dinner lady hardly seems to me to be a part of the political process. she was chosen
probably by a head cook, who in turn probably is in consultation with the headmistress,
who in turn, is in consultation with all kinds of local government officials, so it has ...[text shortened]... she is not politicising anything other
than pizza on Fridays and fish and chips on Wednesdays.
06 Nov 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhat about answering my question about how construction of buildings can be a political matter?
its an example of organisational structure, of compliance with regulations, of
management, of cooperation, of human resources and i could go on.
06 Nov 12
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieYes, the role of civil government is political in nature. Note the word government, i'm talking about the people who make decisions, the people who make plans and implement policy. I'm not talking about someone who escorts kids across the road after school.
she is employed by local government, which you say is a political.
We've been through before with the midwife example. I've explained this already.
06 Nov 12
Originally posted by Proper Knobbut you agree that there are certain elements that are employed by civil
Yes, the role of civil government is political in nature. Note the word government, i'm talking about the people who make decisions, the people who make plans and implement policy. I'm not talking about someone who escorts kids across the road after school.
government but are not political in themselves, like lollipop ladies. As for those
making decisions, its really quite interesting. When I studied art and design, the
manager of our department was not an artist, she had not studied art and she was
unaware of many of the issues facing artists, what made her qualified to manage an
art department? i really cannot say. It appears to me to be the same with
politicians, for example, Sebastian Coe was a good 800 meters runner, how this
adequately qualifies him for government I cannot say and yet there he is, Lord
Coe. What qualified Ronald Reagan, an actor? was he skilled in economics, law, his
educational qualifications outstanding, no and yet he was deemed qualified to run
one of the most powerful nations on earth. Now let me ask you, would you get in an
aeroplane with an unqualified pilot, what abut let an unqualified surgeon operate
upon you? why then does the system allow, unqualified person to run a country,
you tell me? i would be really interested to hear what you have to say.