11 Mar 21
@sonship saidThere have been an eternity of big bangs, but not a single deity.
@Ghost-of-a-DukeThe eternal universe expands and contracts, expands and contracts. Matter has always existed, in one form or another.
You are hoping for a return to a pretty much discarded "Steady State" theory.
It has mostly been abandoned for a so-called "Big Bang" model.
Did I belittle your belief ?
I don't think so.
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11 Mar 21
@ghost-of-a-duke saidNow THAT is belittling.
Gobbledegook.
I knew a clear example you'd manifest sooner or latter.
11 Mar 21
@sonship saidYes, I knew you were seeking that. But again, the words you wrote were gobbledegook.
Now THAT is belittling.
I knew a clear example you'd manifest sooner or latter.
11 Mar 21
@sonship saidAs I say, you were seeking it and your words were gobbledegook. There is no denying that.
@Ghost-of-a-DukeYes, I knew you were seeking that. But again, the words you wrote were gobbledegook.
I didn't say I was seeking it.
I knew you'd probably demonstrate your tendency to do what you accuse me of.
Doubling down hardly remedies the matter.
11 Mar 21
@sonship saidWhere do you get the term 'bouncing' from? It seems inadequate.
So you adopt a perpetual bouncing of the universe.
There was then NO FIRST expansion?
What is your evidence that there was NO FIRST expansion?
Did I belittle you in this post?
Where is 'your' evidence that there wasn't a time before God? (A human written book will not suffice). To ask for evidence of such thing is a nonsense, bearing in mind our mutual finite nature.
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@sonship saidProbably, where conditions are right. (planets of course have a shelf life).
@Ghost-of-a-DukeThere have been an eternity of big bangs, but not a single deity.
Has the evolution of life also been eternally evolving from the infinite past?
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11 Mar 21
@ghost-of-a-duke saidDo I understand you to mean that there have been infinite number of bangs and collapses of the universe BUT life has always existed in infinite perpetual evolution?
Probably, where conditions are right. (planets of course have a shelf life).
I mean during one of these bangs and collapses throughout there WAS always life or life began and started to evolve?
11 Mar 21
@sonship saidI'd imagine the universe would need to be at a particular state for planets to exist capable of sustaining life. And on those planets life could only evolve to a point where those planets were still viable, had an atmosphere etc. (Unless that life form was able to colonise other planets).
Do I understand you to mean that there have been infinite number of bangs and collapses of the universe BUT life has always existed in infinite perpetual evolution?
I mean during one of these bangs and collapses throughout there WAS always life or life began and started to evolve?
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11 Mar 21
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
My question is about life.
Has life had an eternal existence like your infinitely bouncing universe had an eternal existence?
Or in each bounce first life was NOT and then life began and started to evolve?
Do you understand me?
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@sonship saidNo, life comes and goes. Matter is eternal. (In one form or another).
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
My question is about life.
Has life had an eternal existence like your infinitely bouncing universe had an eternal existence?
Or in each bounce first life was NOT and then life began and started to evolve?
Do you understand me?
I don't like the word bounce. The universe expands and shrinks.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidHow about Bang and Crunch?
No, life comes and goes. Matter is eternal. (In one form or another).
I don't like the word bounce.
Or how about expand and contract?
So infinitely the universe has initiated and concluded in a perpetual never beginning and never ending cycle. And in each or at least some of these cycles at first there was no life but it emerged and began to evolve.
Is that what you are saying?
11 Mar 21
@sonship saidThere are times (for want of a better word) in the universe when life is not sustainable and therefore doesn't exist, only emerging again (and evolving) when the 8 ingredients for life have returned.
How about Bang and Crunch?
Or how about expand and contract?
So infinitely the universe has initiated and concluded in a perpetual never beginning and never ending cycle. And in each or at least some of these cycles at first there was no life but it emerged and began to evolve.
Is that what you are saying?