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@divegeester saidPhilokalia?
What is “proper faith”? What is “proper belief”? Why is it “vital to salvation” ? In what way?
What on earth are you on about?
@divegeester saidPhilokalia?
What is “proper faith”? What is “proper belief”? Why is it “vital to salvation” ? In what way?
What on earth are you on about?
@divegeester saidPhilokalia?
Why do Christians who are not of your sect need to “convert”? Convert to what? They are already Christians, they are already saved aren’t they?
If they “convert” are they upgraded to Christianity 2.1 or something?
@philokalia saidWhat was with all the pretentious wriggling, then?
People can become Christians through a large variety of means that don't involve the Nicene creed, yes, lol.
@philokalia saidSo what?
However, anyone who denies the contexts of the Nicene creed is not a Christian in the conventional sense of the word.
@fmf saidI was pointing out how it's an irrelevant question.
What was with all the pretentious wriggling, then?
@philokalia saidIt is not "an irrelevant question".
I was pointing out how it's an irrelevant question.
@philokalia saidI think it is you ~ as partisan, groupist, propagandist, appeal-to-"expert Saints" Christian, ~ who is unable to recognize the significance of the far less 'peephole thing' I am saying about belief in Jesus.
Of course you wouldn't recognize the significance of it.
@philokalia saidI notice you ignored the questions : What did Paul say a couple chapters later in Ephesians about who inherits the kingdom of God? Are the saved by grace Christians in the kingdom?
Oh, so we are supposed to believe in Christ... but we are not supposed to believe in St. Paul.
So how can we accept the Gospels that were recorded for us as legitimate, if we are to be suspect of what St. Paul stated there?
@rajk999 saidGood works and righteousness naturally come from the faith, sure.
I notice you ignored the questions : What did Paul say a couple chapters later in Ephesians about who inherits the kingdom of God? Are the saved by grace Christians in the kingdom?
You cannot derive the truth by cherrypicking.. If your beloved Nicene Creed supports your doctrine then it is not worth a damn thing.
In almost every one of Pauls letters, there ...[text shortened]... of God without good works and righteousness.
Do you realise that? Why then are you ignoring Paul?
@philokalia saidWrong. Show me where the Bible says this Good works and righteousness naturally come from the faith, . .
Good works and righteousness naturally come from the faith, sure.
@philokalia saidFaith is simply a profession with the mouth that one believes.
let's go back to the concept of faith: why would someone who consciously rejects Christ and is consciously faithless be Saved?
@rajk999 saidHebrews 11:6
Faith is simply a profession with the mouth that one believes.
Alone it is worthless
No faith and no works = damnation
Faith and no works = damnation
Faith + works = eternal life
Works alone = eternal life
Jesus and all the Apostles said so.
I dont think you know what consciously rejecting Christ means.
@philokalia saidExcept when it does not.
Good works and righteousness naturally come from the faith, sure.