21 Jan 22
@fmf saidPeople can know they are saved while they are still on earth. Scripture is clear on that.
And you don't know if you will be sent to "Hell" until you die?
“The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:”
(Romans 8:16)
“Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.”
(1 John 4:4)
Notice what makes us God’s children - God’s Holy Spirit indwelling us!
@pb1022 saidThat you are a OSAS Christian isn't in dispute. KellyJay, by contrast, insists that he's not one but almost everything he actually says about his own "salvation" makes him sound like he is.
People can know they are saved while they are still on earth. Scripture is clear on that.
“The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:”
(Romans 8:16)
“Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.”
(1 John 4:4)
Notice what makes us God’s children - God’s Holy Spirit indwelling us!
21 Jan 22
@fmf saidNo, he’s not. Because he has accepted and believed in Jesus Christ and in His Resurrection, he has received God’s Holy Spirit and is now the righteousness of God in Christ.
So KellyJay, for example, is an evil man?
“Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.”
(1 John 4:17)
21 Jan 22
@fmf saidI haven’t read enough of what he says about himself to feel knowledgeable enough to reply to this post.
That you are a OSAS Christian isn't in dispute. KellyJay, by contrast, insists that he's not one but almost everything he actually says about his own "salvation" makes him sound like he is.
@pb1022 saidKellyJay in the past has said that we are all evil and we all deserve "damnation", including himself. But you are saying he is not evil because he believes in Jesus?
No, he’s not. Because he has accepted and believed in Jesus Christ and in His Resurrection, he has received God’s Holy Spirit and is now the righteousness of God in Christ.
21 Jan 22
@fmf said<<KellyJay in the past has said that we are all evil and we all deserve "damnation",>>
KellyJay in the past has said that we are all evil and we all deserve "damnation", including himself. But you are saying he is not evil because he believes in Jesus?
He can speak for himself but I believe he’s speaking of humans generically - those who have not accepted and believed in Jesus Christ and in His Resurrection. In other words, humans without God’s Grace.
<<But you are saying he is not evil because he believes in Jesus?>>
Exactly.
@kellyjay saidWrong. I say that people who promote certain church doctrines claim they can sin and all their sins are forgiven.. I do not know if they actually sin. How can I know if they do? How can I know the private lives of people? You are asking me stupid questions.
You are forever going on about people who go to church proclaiming how they sin as they please.
@pb1022 saidGood. I will let KellyJay speak for himself too.
He can speak for himself but I believe he’s speaking of humans generically - those who have not accepted and believed in Jesus Christ and in His Resurrection. In other words, humans without God’s Grace.
@fmf saidWhat ever we are trusting in will either let us down or prove trustworthy. Everyone’s beliefs about what occurs after we die will be shown true or false. I trust Christ in Him I am all in, there is no backup plan, I will be saved due to Jesus Christ’ grace or not.
And you don't know if you will be sent to "Hell" until you die?