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@athousandyoung saidSkeptical science is a horrible source of information. The consensus project lies and skeptical science uses the consensus project for their source of info (i.e. lies).
Now, for your comment about CO2 lagging temperature rise:
https://skepticalscience.com/co2-lags-temperature.htm
The initial changes in temperature during this period are explained by changes in the Earth’s orbit around the sun, which affects the amount of seasonal sunlight reaching the Earth’s surface. In the case of warming, the lag between temperature an ...[text shortened]... als and interglacials as the effect of orbital changes is too weak to cause such variation.
@athousandyoung saidEstablish cause and effect. You have not done that.
[quote]@athousandyoung said
People have been burning coal for hundreds of years now. Human caused greenhouse gases didn’t start with the automobile.
@metal-brain said
Others have claimed that, but failed because the CO2 records did not show it. Show me the CO2 records in the ice core samples. If you cannot stop your false claims. I'm sick of false assertions.[/qu ...[text shortened]... n the ice core samples DO show exactly what I wrote above. Stop being such a pretentious douchebag.
@metal-brain saidonly horrible to you because it, along with all other respected science websites on the subject, speaks the known scientific truths.
Skeptical science is a horrible source of information.
and skeptical science uses the consensus project for their source of info (i.e. lies).
If CO2 amplified the warming in a significant way there would be a runaway warming effect that would be impossible to stopFalse; assuming what you mean by "runaway warming effect " is "runaway greenhouse effect" (else we must assume you have no idea what you are talking about), which is a misleading term in this context that I and some other people always disapprove of in this context, CO2 amplified the warming in a significant way wouldn't necessarily produce a runaway greenhouse effect and in at least most cases it doesn't.
Establish cause and effect.This has been done. We have shown you the evidence. Put simplistically, the evidence is what the science tells us.
You are assuming co2 was the cause and temps were the effect,We don't just assume but know, because that is what the science says. We also know it was the other way around i.e. it is also true that temperature increase causes more CO2 hence the lag. Where is the logical contradiction in that and in something being BOTH the cause and the effect? -simple question and one I predict you will not answer and it is obvious why.
@humy said"This has been done. We have shown you the evidence. Put simplistically, the evidence is what the science tells us."
only horrible to you because it, along with all other respected science websites on the subject, speaks the known scientific truths.and skeptical science uses the consensus project for their source of info (i.e. lies).
http://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/11/4/048002
"...The consensus that humans are causing recent global warming is shared b ...[text shortened]... cause and the effect? -simple question and one I predict you will not answer and it is obvious why.
@metal-brain saidYou're calling sources fake and then you offer Principia Scientific? lol
Where is the evidence showing cause and effect?
If that is what the science says (as common morons assert without proof) then show the evidence. People who make assertions without evidence usually don't have any to present.
Skeptical science says man is the cause. Their source of info is the consensus project and they have no source of information that man is the caus ...[text shortened]... who claims otherwise is a liar!
https://principia-scientific.org/greenhouse-gas-theory-is-false/
@athousandyoung saidThis lists just some of the many independent sources of evidence of CO2 infrared absorption and by how much. I know why you show it; many greenhouse theory skeptics try to argue against the greanhouse theory by denying that CO2 DOES absorb infrared, or, alternatively, say it doesn't absorb by nearly as much as the scientists say it does. Either case their claim is baseless and also nonsense because basic physics tells us that it SHOULD absorb and by about how much. Pity, just like metalbrain, they don't ever seriously look at sources of evidence with a will to go wherever the evidence points but instead just believe the evidence shows whatever they want to believe before they even looked at it. They will by choice all remain ignorant and delusional to their last breath.
https://agwobserver.wordpress.com/2009/09/25/papers-on-laboratory-measurements-of-co2-absorption-properties/
@athousandyoung saidMy source is accurate and can stand any honest scrutiny you subject it to. Yours cannot. Besides, there are critics of your critics as well.
You're calling sources fake and then you offer Principia Scientific? lol
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/principia-scientific-international/
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/skeptical-science/
I used to think you were intellectually honest. Now I've changed my mind.
@athousandyoung saidThe atmosphere is not a laboratory. There is no proof CO2 causes warming in the atmosphere. This is a subject that has come up repeatedly on this forum. You are a bit of a newcomer here and would probably not be aware of that, but you cannot prove what happens in a lab happens in the very complex atmosphere. Nobody can.
https://agwobserver.wordpress.com/2009/09/25/papers-on-laboratory-measurements-of-co2-absorption-properties/
@humy saidLook up "should". You "should" tell the truth but you don't.
This lists just some of the many independent sources of evidence of CO2 infrared absorption and by how much. I know why you show it; many greenhouse theory skeptics try to argue against the greanhouse theory by denying that CO2 DOES absorb infrared, or, alternatively, say it doesn't absorb by nearly as much as the scientists say it does. Either case their claim is baseless and a ...[text shortened]... they even looked at it. They will by choice all remain ignorant and delusional to their last breath.
@metal-brain saidWhat is the basis for your premise the lab results can't be shown to effect the atmosphere. The atmosphere is just a big lab. It is just a matter of scale. They actually do know what they are doing when they do those kind of experiments.
The atmosphere is not a laboratory. There is no proof CO2 causes warming in the atmosphere. This is a subject that has come up repeatedly on this forum. You are a bit of a newcomer here and would probably not be aware of that, but you cannot prove what happens in a lab happens in the very complex atmosphere. Nobody can.
@sonhouse saidhttps://principia-scientific.org/greenhouse-gas-theory-is-false/
What is the basis for your premise the lab results can't be shown to effect the atmosphere. The atmosphere is just a big lab. It is just a matter of scale. They actually do know what they are doing when they do those kind of experiments.
Your argument reminds me of the young Earthers who say 'Carbon dating is BS because they don't know anything about it' or some such, sayin ...[text shortened]... me argument because you are biased against it, citing the work of 90 year old men from 50 years ago.
@metal-brain saidhttps://mediabiasfactcheck.com/principia-scientific-international/
https://principia-scientific.org/greenhouse-gas-theory-is-false/