@sonhouse saidYou know nothing about hurricanes. A cold upper atmosphere is needed to fuel the cycle of hurricanes. The water in summer is always warm. Warm water alone cannot cause a hurricane to form. If it did the Caribbean would be uninhabitable and nobody could survive a trip across the Atlantic to discover America.
@Metal-Brain
Tell that to the victims of Ian. Warmer water = adds wind speed to hurricanes.
You think like a naive child. Hurricanes need condensation to form. Warm water alone is not enough. Evaporation + condensation = high speed winds. That is why there are more hurricanes in a colder global climate. That is a fact, by the way.
@ogb saidI don't see any evidence it is being done from space.
https://www.space.com/geoengineering-how-to-control-the-weather
it's called Geo-engineering and scientists (miltary / industrial complex) are already doing it from SPACE !
Cloud seeding with dry ice has been done for a long time. Weather modification is nothing new at all, but let's not get carried away with mirrors in space and ideas like that. Let's stick to reality.
https://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/air-force-bombshell-admits-they-can-control-weather-haarp/
@Metal-Brain
Ok, I guess that is why Ian sped up coming up the west side of Florida, those super cold winds on top, having nothing to do with the warm temps of the ocean and BTW, it is NOT summer if you hadn't heard.
@metal-brain saidSo nobody claimed what you just refuted. Congratulations for the insight by the way.
@sonhouse
A cold upper atmosphere is needed to fuel the cycle of hurricanes. Warm water alone cannot cause a hurricane to form. You science deniers need to remember that.
@sonhouse specifically mentioned the reative temperature between the water surface where evaporation takes place (please note that vapur pressure rises exponentially with emperature, just to make sure you cliam it to be your insight), and the upper atmosphere wher condensation takes place. Do we factor in the relative density (is humid air denser or less dense than dry air?)?
@metal-brain saidSo for the sake of trying t see if we can learn something:
No, it was considered a success.
Lie much?
* what was the aim Operation Popeye?
* What were the observables?
* What did the USA learn? You might read the pdf, which is linked in the wikipedia article?
In case you find that difficult I will quote page 103:
The results of the project cannot be precisely quantified. This is due
to the lack of suftfcient ground stations to report However, the Defense Intelligence ;Agency, using empirical and theoretical techniques based on units expended and the physical properties of the air mass seeded, estimated that rainfall was mcreased in limited areas up to 30 percent above that predicted for the existing conditions:
So yes it was a succes as seen by the initiators and those responsible for the project.
And no it was not near anyting that would sustain sientific evidence. ("local more than 30%" is what is a typical deviation in forecast still.. [as long as "local" is not really defined)
@metal-brain saidIf I quote a file, which is linked in teh wikipedia article (and me explicitely noting that) there is a certain probability that I was able to find the page myself.
@Ponderable
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Popeye
And now: Was it a success? Not really, otherwise the report would sound differently.
Is this the basis to create a hurrican with a at least rough direction to a given target? hardly.
@Ponderable
None of that matters to MB, he is ONLY interested in pushing conspiracy theories, he has no basic interest in actual science.
@sonhouse saidI know, we had a lot of this in the past. However I will not let him off the hook.
@Ponderable
None of that matters to MB, he is ONLY interested in pushing conspiracy theories, he has no basic interest in actual science.
And in some points he actually showed that he can learn. So lets not give up hope.
@Ponderable
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Modification_Convention
So the international community are conspiracy theorists? You stupid denialists are a joke. Pathetic!
@metal-brain saidYou as yet failed to show how Hurricanes can bes started at will and their path directed.
@Ponderable
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_Modification_Convention
So the international community are conspiracy theorists? You stupid denialists are a joke. Pathetic!
I doubt, that you actually read or understaood the wikipedia page you are waving around.
Formulate clear hypothesis and then discuss earnestly and we have a deal.
In afct you claimed that global warming should lead to less hurricanes. Do you want to come up with anything there? (And yes you are the only one on this Forum believeing that)
@ponderable saidI never claimed hurricanes can be started at will and their path directed. If you read what I wrote I was skeptical of it from the beginning. I am talking about weather modification in general, not any one specific type.
You as yet failed to show how Hurricanes can bes started at will and their path directed.
I doubt, that you actually read or understaood the wikipedia page you are waving around.
Formulate clear hypothesis and then discuss earnestly and we have a deal.
In afct you claimed that global warming should lead to less hurricanes. Do you want to come up with anything there? (And yes you are the only one on this Forum believeing that)