Panspermia & Corona

I found this video interesting.
It explains why, despite being obviously possible, it is highly unlikely that the C19 was man made;

YouTube

It wouldn't make any sense for it being man made for several reasons.
One reason is, if someone deliberately designed it to attack humans, he must really suck at designing proteins, because he did a stupid piss-job at it! With just slightly more applied intelligence beyond that of a chimp, he could have extremely EASILY made some of those proteins MUCH more effective and thus the virus much more harmful.
Hopefully this will help get rid of one set of silly conspiracy theories.

@humy said
What about it? Your own link above doesn't say or give evidence that C19 probably came from outside China. It says amongst other things;
"...
Where Did the Virus Come From?
Almost certainly from animals, but when and how are mysteries
...
The genomic data cannot pinpoint the origin
...
From the start, the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan—which sold mammals as wel ...[text shortened]... nd thus fail to notice its irrelevant to your assertions?
Do you like making yourself look stupid?

I never said they know which country it started. There is evidence it started before Wuhan and that is all that I claimed. here is an excerpt from the link I posted:

"That indicates the market played a role in spreading the virus, says Daniel Lucey, an infectious disease specialist at Georgetown University—but he says other data suggest it wasn't the origin. The first known patient became ill on 1 December 2019 and had no links to the market, according to a paper published by Chinese researchers in The Lancet on 24 January that offered details about the first 41 patients in Wuhan. In that group, 12 others also had no links to the market. Lucey contends the virus was already circulating silently among humans before it contaminated the seafood market, possibly by infected animals, humans, or both."

Here is another excerpt:

"Bin Cao, a pulmonary specialist at Capital Medical University in Beijing and the corresponding author of The Lancet article, agrees the story is more complicated than many thought. “Now it seems clear that [the] seafood market is not the only origin of the virus,” he wrote in an email to Science. “But to be honest, we still do not know where the virus came from now.”

There you go. I never claimed it came from the USA, just that it is possible. China made the claim, not me. All I did was show it is possible and it is.

@metal-brain said

I never claimed it came from the USA, just that it is possible.

Since nobody here including I has or would deny such unlikely things are still possible, you make no point. Of course it is possible. But that doesn't change the fact that the absence of any good evidence for it implies to our rational minds i.e. all non-morons that it is improbable. Thus you make no point. You are just uninformative stating useless trivial information we can and do figure out for ourselves. Have you got anything constructive or informative to tell us?

@humy said
I found this video interesting.
It explains why, despite being obviously possible, it is highly unlikely that the C19 was man made;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1lcAINElzY

It wouldn't make any sense for it being man made for several reasons.
One reason is, if someone deliberately designed it to attack humans, he must really suck at designing proteins, because he did ...[text shortened]... virus much more harmful.
Hopefully this will help get rid of one set of silly conspiracy theories.

That is based on the assumption that SARS2 is a completed bioweapon. Nobody is really making that claim. Here is an excerpt from the link below:

"In 1999, the Americans started a project… The head of the CIA at the time, George Tenet, and President Clinton said that they would produce pathogenic agents that would affect certain races but not others. Twenty years have passed and the time for field experiments has come. It seems that planet Earth has been turned into a testing ground. I’ll go even further and say that the Anglo-Saxon countries have issued a biological warning to all non-English speaking countries: ‘Either you live according to the laws we impose on you, or you will not live on this planet. Either we kill you fast or we kill you slowly.’ This is the main problem of modern world policy.”

https://chinarising.puntopress.com/2020/03/18/russian-biologist-and-former-u-n-expert-igor-nikulin-coronavirus-is-a-biological-weapon-used-by-global-government-to-reduce-the-worlds-population-by-90-china-rising-radio-sinoland-200318/

Igor Nikulin says they are testing their modifications. SARS1 was much more deadly. They already know how to make it deadly. SARS2 was deliberately made less deadly so they could test their attempt to make a more contagious virus. They have succeeded. Now they are capable of making a virus as deadly as SARS1 and as contagious as SARS2.

They deliberately made SARS2 less deadly. It was no accident. These are tests of their genetic tweeking, not in any way intended to be the final product. It also could be an accidental escape of the virus from a lab. A final product is not necessary in that scenario either.

Your article is based on faulty assumptions. These are tests, not a complete bioweapon. This could also be a method of population control (rather than a bioweapon) designed for the least economic disruption. Killing more people all at once would damage the economy and would not be in the elite's interest. If the intent is to cull the population you do it slowly.

@humy said
Since nobody here including I has or would deny such unlikely things are still possible, you make no point. Of course it is possible. But that doesn't change the fact that the absence of any good evidence for it implies to our rational minds i.e. all non-morons that it is improbable. Thus you make no point. You are just stating useless trivial information we can and do figure out for ourselves.

Perhaps you missed this important part of the excerpt:

“Now it seems clear that [the] seafood market is not the only origin of the virus,”

It started somewhere else. That is likely, not unlikely. How likely it started in the USA is irrelevant since I never claimed it started there. Neither did China, they just claimed it was in the USA "before" China.

Once again I have proved you wrong.

@metal-brain said
That is based on the assumption that SARS2 is a completed bioweapon.

No, my video there obviously isn't "based on the assumption that SARS2 is a completed bioweapon". You obviously haven't listened to any of my video and are just making up BS lies about it.

@metal-brain said
Perhaps you missed this important part of the excerpt:

“Now it seems clear that [the] seafood market is not the only origin of the virus,”

How does that translate to "It started outside China"? It doesn't even translate to "It probably started outside China".
Where is the contradiction between "seafood market is not the only origin of the virus,” and "it started in China"? Why cannot BOTH be true?

@metal-brain said
How likely it started in the USA is irrelevant since I never claimed it started there. Neither did China, they just claimed it was in the USA "before" China.

How does a claim that C19 existed in the USA "before" China NOT imply it started outside China?
Under what circumstances can have C19 existed outside China before it ever existed inside China but for C19 to have still first started inside China despite existing outside China first? That's a logical contradiction.
As usual, you make no sense whatsoever.

@humy said
No, my video there obviously isn't "based on the assumption that SARS2 is a completed bioweapon". You obviously haven't listened to any of my video and are just making up BS lies about it.

Based on what you wrote it is. You wrote this:

"With just slightly more applied intelligence beyond that of a chimp, he could have extremely EASILY made some of those proteins MUCH more effective and thus the virus much more harmful."

That statement implies the goal would be a more deadly virus. Igor never claimed that was their goal and neither did I. Testing does not imply a final product for killing a lot of people. If SARS1 is man made as Kolesnikov claimed then they made SARS2 less deadly. There is no reason to assume that was an accident.

I'm not claiming I know SARS2 is man made. I don't know, but every article that claims they have proven it is not are based on weak arguments and faulty assumptions. Besides, your article did not even rule it out. They merely said it was unlikely. I'll at least give them credit for not making false claims of proof. Their assumptions are stupid though.

@humy said
How does a claim that C19 existed in the USA "before" China NOT imply it started outside China?
Under what circumstances can have C19 existed outside China before it ever existed inside China but for it to started inside China despite that? That's a contradiction.
You make no sense whatsoever.

You are a moron. I never claimed it didn't start outside China, in fact, I said it was likely. Your reading comprehension is horrible.

@metal-brain said
Based on what you wrote it is. You wrote this:

"With just slightly more applied intelligence beyond that of a chimp, he could have extremely EASILY made some of those proteins MUCH more effective and thus the virus much more harmful."

That statement implies the goal would be a more deadly virus.

Right.
That doesn't imply the assumption of "That is based on the assumption that SARS2 is a completed bioweapon."
The video NEVER assumed this.
You are just talking BS.

Besides, your article did not even rule it out. They merely said it was unlikely.

Right, which is my claim all the long and I never said/implied anything to the contrary. So your point is...? -you have none.

@metal-brain said
I never claimed it didn't start outside China,

And I didn't say you made that claim there. Apparently you cannot read plain English.

@humy said
Right.
That doesn't imply the assumption of "That is based on the assumption that SARS2 is a completed bioweapon."
The video NEVER assumed this.

Then why is how deadly it is relevant? That was the basis of your argument. The whole argument you are putting forth is that they would have made it more deadly. That implies a completed bioweapon. Furthermore, man made does not imply it is a bioweapon. Yet another faulty assumption.

@humy said
And I didn't say you made that claim there. Apparently you cannot read plain English.

This is what you wrote, exact quote:

"How does a claim that C19 existed in the USA "before" China NOT imply it started outside China?"

It does imply that. I never claimed it didn't. WTF are you talking about?

I have no idea what kind of drugs you are on but they must be good. I'd like to try some.

@metal-brain said
Then why is how deadly it is relevant?

Don't know what you are talking about here. Have you just changed the topic?