@wildgrass saidExplain the creative powers of natural selection, how it builds something when it doesn't care which way anything occurs, and how it hangs on to good things while everything is in a state of change, good, and bad is all the same in a mindless process.
It doesn't only weed out the weak. There are plenty of weak organisms hobbling about. The cute cuddly defenseless seahorse was around 14 million years ago, still kicking.
Maybe you can read a book about natural selection.
@sonhouse saidTake the Spiritual forum, just talk about the mechanisms here, can you do that?
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And it won't be shown scientifically that GODDIDIT.
I hope they can bring home samples of that water squirting hundreds of Km above the surface of Enceladus, James Webb scope showed the water squirting much higher than other telescopes saw.
@indonesia-phil saidTake it to the Spiritual forum, can you talk about the data, the mechanisms that a mindless process used to come up with new body plans, and new systems in life? You just want to bring up what you think lets you off the hook, play by your rules, and explain the science that allows a mindless process to create something new.
I think your understanding of the processes of evolution need some serious upgrading before you can sensibly discuss the subject. The alternative of course from a Christian perspective is that god made all the animals, then he made some different animals and killed off the first animals, then he made some more different animals.....Then he made some animals which were ...[text shortened]... hinking really belongs in Sunday School, and certainly not in any kind of an adult discussion forum.
@moonbus saidYou are about as clueless as they come if that is what you think, explain how the science works where a chemical reaction will at some point produce a living cell using only mindless processes.
In nature, there are no plans, therefore none to explain. There are no informational instructions, therefore none to explain. There is no error checking, therefore none to explain. You have been bamboozled by anthropomorphisms, metaphors, and figures of speech. None of these apply to molecules and cells. You do not understand how nature works or how science proposes to explain how it works. Please go back to Spirituality and stop spamming up the Science forum.
@kellyjay saidHow much time do you have? A book about molecular biology would be a good start point for discussion.
Explain the creative powers of natural selection, how it builds something when it doesn't care which way anything occurs, and how it hangs on to good things while everything is in a state of change, good, and bad is all the same in a mindless process.
@kellyjay saidThere is no good or bad in nature. Only humans make such value judgments.
Explain the creative powers of natural selection, how it builds something when it doesn't care which way anything occurs, and how it hangs on to good things while everything is in a state of change, good, and bad is all the same in a mindless process.
@wildgrass saidI've asked you to just explain how a mindless process with all the time you think you want would build anything functionally complex so that it has error checking for self-repair! There is no creativity within your "bingo" ed natural selection any so-called good reaction would be meaningless and just as easily wiped out as a new bad one appeared. As soon as you have all of the ingredients for a good step in one place at one time, once all of the reactions occur with those chemicals if you don't move on to the next step immediately you've lost what you had if any that would inhibit proper reactions is in the mix, or anything that contaminates the mixture ruins it.
How much time do you have? A book about molecular biology would be a good start point for discussion.
When we attempt to do it with our intelligence we buy and keep safe all of our material, and with carefully controlled step-by-step processes attempt what the true believers in "deep time did it" think could be done mindlessly under a rock or in a pond somewhere.
@moonbus saidYou realize I was pointing out the process of making life, how off-point you get when attempting to say things that have nothing to do with the conversation as if you have a clue when so far you only have insults.
There is no good or bad in nature. Only humans make such value judgments.
@wildgrass saidI'll grant you all the time you want, it isn't how much time that is the issue, but precise timing, and on-time material is available in the proper quantities. How about explaining how a mindless process would and could build something functionally complex so there is error checking? You know things like blood clotting, an immune system, and so on.
How much time do you have? A book about molecular biology would be a good start point for discussion.