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Originally posted by NowakowskiA poor choice of game if I may say so.
The Opera Game
Morphy - Karl/Isouard, Paris, 1858, 1-0
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 Bg4 4.dxe5 Bxf3 5.Qxf3 dxe5 6.Bc4 Nf6 7.Qb3 Qe7 8.Nc3 c6 9.Bg5 b5 10.Nxb5 cxb5 11.Bxb5+ Nbd7 12.O-O-O Rd8 13.Rxd7 Rxd7 14.Rd1 Qe6 15.Bxd7- Nxd7 16.Qb8- Nxb8 17.Rd8#
This is the game in question correct?
I'll run analysis on it with Rybka if its the right game.
The 2 players playing Black were enthusiasts but hardly of the quality of a modern FIDE Master such as the one against whom the 97% match-up was found.
The White %'s in this Morphy game will be higher because Black will have made simple errors such as 6...Nf6? when 6...Qd7 or 6...Qe7 are much necessary.
I suggest for starters:
Originally posted by KeplerEnglish Tal cited a 97% match up rate for the player in question. But there are so many semi-literate dysfunctional dullminded incoherent egotistical nincompoops here that would take it upon themselves to just poo-poo those figures, find a workaround of the cheating allegations, or just downplay the entire scenario in general just to prove how wrong they can be.
It's about another thread that got pulled after the accusations reached critical mass. Wouldn't want RHP to implode under the strain! Haven't a clue what the 97% is.
Originally posted by eldragonflyThat's better. You forgot to turn on the insult engine for the previous post.
English Tal cited a 97% match up rate for the player in question. But there are so many semi-literate dysfunctional dullminded incoherent egotistical nincompoops here that would take it upon themselves to just poo-poo those figures, find a workaround of the cheating allegations, or just downplay the entire scenario in general just to prove how wrong they can be.
Originally posted by KeplerTechnically, I should be able to run 3... However I don't push it that far. Thats asking quite alot for these types of Calc's. Furthermore, I only have 4 gigs of ram, so between running my OS, the GUI, and the engines... trying to run one on all 4 cores would be pushing it pretty far.
Ah, I was going by the core 1, core 2 bit. So you could have run another couple of engines at the same time?
2 of the 4 runnings is pretty safe. 3 is probably still safe enough as well, but I felt no need, nor did i have any other engine which i felt would produce any more pertinent data.
Originally posted by Nowakowskiumm... your cores have a shared cache.
Technically, I should be able to run 3... However I don't push it that far. Thats asking quite alot for these types of Calc's. Furthermore, I only have 4 gigs of ram, so between running my OS, the GUI, and the engines... trying to run one on all 4 cores would be pushing it pretty far.
2 of the 4 runnings is pretty safe. 3 is probably still safe enou ...[text shortened]... t no need, nor did i have any other engine which i felt would produce any more pertinent data.
Originally posted by NowakowskiI doubt another engine would have added anything. One of the machines I have has four G4s. I can, with a little mucking about, run four engines at once. I don't find that it helps much so i generally use another machine with just the one processor and leave the four processor machine to run star cluster models.
Technically, I should be able to run 3... However I don't push it that far. Thats asking quite alot for these types of Calc's. Furthermore, I only have 4 gigs of ram, so between running my OS, the GUI, and the engines... trying to run one on all 4 cores would be pushing it pretty far.
2 of the 4 runnings is pretty safe. 3 is probably still safe enou ...[text shortened]... t no need, nor did i have any other engine which i felt would produce any more pertinent data.
Originally posted by wormwoodQX9775 is my processor. It indeed does, NOT have a shared cache. It's a trual quad core proccessor and does not have logical, or threaded cores. It has 12MB's of L2 cache.
umm... your cores have a shared cache.
Do some reading if you'd like. The Skulltrail has no issues library/cache wise.
Not to mention, that nowhere in my previous post do i mention my processor cache. So i'm not sure where you drew this from?
Originally posted by PhlabibitPublic accusations of cheating, no matter how supported by facts and engine analysis is not allowed in the forums. There is no mechanism for forwarding engine analysis to the Game Mods (if they even exist anymore).
It was removed, no public accusations of cheating here at RHP.
There is a link to a thread about reporting cheats.
Thread 96375
Thus, facts about cheaters: BAD!
cheating: NOT SO MUCH ...........................
Originally posted by KeplerNobody I know would base a conclusion based on 1 game only esp. a short tactical game. You should normally also not include database moves in analysis; even though this was OTB, you should leave out established opening moves. Obviously, this whole game will be database, so you'd have to start after the opening.
OK Morphy at the opera. I didn't use Rybka (doesn't run on a Mac) but the latest HIARCS ought to be good enough. White scores 88% and black 71%. On that basis some people would be convinced Paul Morphy was an engine. However, this game is very short (17 moves) and there is a difficulty with which moves to include. My conclusion? Don't base statistical decisions on too small a data set and examine the data with a critical eye.
Originally posted by no1marauderThat was my thought also. Unfortunately I have no idea what passed for database moves back then so just went with the whole game. I had to turn the opening book off though, HIARCS has all of white's moves in book.
Nobody I know would base a conclusion based on 1 game only esp. a short tactical game. You should normally also not include database moves in analysis; even though this was OTB, you should leave out established opening moves. Obviously, this whole game will be database, so you'd have to start after the opening.
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Originally posted by KeplerThats why i analyzed after move 6 as well. I don't know that this was "leaving book" by any means...but it removed 6 candidates. By no means was this a good test. I also agree, that it was a bad example. Somebody just wanted to compare Rybka, so I gave them that comparison.
That was my thought also. Unfortunately I have no idea what passed for database moves back then so just went with the whole game. I had to turn the opening book off though, HIARCS has all of white's moves in book.