@averagejoe1 saidWrong. My objection to Trump has nothing to do with how much money I have. My I objection to Trump is that he corrupted the instruments of democracy: faith in elections was destroyed, by him and his repeated lies. NO EVIDENCE has been presented that he won the 2020 election, and yet the Rep. Party still will not concede this or denounce Trump’s false narrative.
The way y'all write all this ad nauseum......there must be something eating at you. I believe it is simply that you saw everyone around you prosper and you didn't. Govt data showed annual incomes (average) increased by $5000.
Most everyone I know has planned and invested and produced thru life, so when Trump took over, imagine how much THEY prospered. Everyone wit ...[text shortened]... yers, and the dart throwers in the pubs..............maybe it is they who are writing these posts. 🤔
@vivify saidAn interesting take from Amanda Marcotte at Salon:
These excuses may have worked in 2016 when much less was known about Trump but how do you explain his popularity with conservatives 4 years later? Trump's policies have proven he *is* the establishment, like when his massive tax breaks mostly benefitting the rich.
As far as calling Trump supporters racist, there's a reason why he's so popular with white supremacists, more so than any other president in modern history.
"When a MAGA-American picks up the phone and hears a pollster from the hated "liberal media" ask them questions about Trump's indictments and general trustworthiness, they aren't answering the question asked. What they're really hearing, over and over: "Are you ready to admit that you were wrong and liberals were right all along about Trump?" And the answer is a big, fat "hell no," because the first rule of MAGA is to never, ever, under any circumstances, admit that liberals might be right about something.
That poll doesn't measure a sincere belief in Trump's trustworthiness. It measures people who, consumed with bitterness towards the more liberal majority, are clinging to Trump even harder in a pathetic bid to save face. Which, as anyone who has studied cults can tell you, is a surprisingly strong factor in why people squelch their doubts to stay in the cult. They were warned so many times that this was a mistake that they stick around, hoping to prove the skeptics wrong. "
"For the sake of brevity and sanity, I'll take a pass at relitigating ye ol' "economic anxiety" debates here. (If you're interested in digging in, though, I recommend Zack Beauchamp's recent analysis at Vox.) But whatever the cause, we can see the result in the polling: Millions of people whose hackles are raised far too high for them to even start to calm down and ask themselves if Trump is really the hill to die on. Trump is barely literate, but, likely due to his own narcissism, he's especially adept at manipulating people's ego defense mechanisms. He's managed to get his followers to believe that, if they admit he sucks, it's as good as saying they also suck. That's hard for anyone to do, but especially people who have spent their whole lives being told they're the only "real" Americans. "
https://www.salon.com/2023/08/22/new-polls-prove-obama-and-clinton-were-right-the-base-are-deplorable-bitter-clingers/
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@AverageJoe1
Tell me why you think Trump is such a great businessman when he could not even keep a casino in the black? Does it bother you even a little two of his outfits, Trump 'university' and Trump 'charity' were proven to be grifting money from folks who could not afford to be taken like they were and both 'companies' were closed down by the government and 25 MILLION in fines.
Why do you think that is great business acumen?
@Mott-The-Hoople
You mean the white community has such GREAT leaders like Marjorie Taylor Greene?
Or Mantz? or your god king Trump? Who are you kidding?
@moonbus saidSo all of his 'thought processes', which are rife in your party, are what bother you? So you and the jackals want him, for THAT? When you take it to bare bones, that is all that is on the table, no one hurt, no money stolen or grifted, Just a lot of Trump blowhard of Trump. So, it is obvious that you all want him OUT, and the weaponization just might do it, it is your only hope?.
Wrong. My objection to Trump has nothing to do with how much money I have. My I objection to Trump is that he corrupted the instruments of democracy: faith in elections was destroyed, by him and his repeated lies. NO EVIDENCE has been presented that he won the 2020 election, and yet the Rep. Party still will not concede this or denounce Trump’s false narrative.
Wow, I did not know that the officals of the Repub party have not conceded that he'd lost the election.
Can you link us a real link on that point? Nothing from Sonhouse,, please.
@sonhouse saidWell, let Politico tell you. Of course, there are other sites saying different, pick one. I picked one , you picked one. As you know, I am all about choice. Soon I am told Biden will reduce our choice of ceiling fans, after Wash machines, stoves and air conditinioners. The ones in his house I think will remain, though. Why do you worship this man? Isn't he deceased?
@AverageJoe1
Tell me why you think Trump is such a great businessman when he could not even keep a casino in the black?
Here's Politico.
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/05/15/donald-trump-business-poll-1322650
@averagejoe1 saidhttps://www.republicannationalcommittee.org/election.html
So all of his 'thought processes', which are rife in your party, are what bother you? So you and the jackals want him, for THAT? When you take it to bare bones, that is all that is on the table, no one hurt, no money stolen or grifted, Just a lot of Trump blowhard of Trump. So, it is obvious that you all want him OUT, and the weaponization just might do it, it is your ...[text shortened]... st the election.
Can you link us a real link on that point? Nothing from Sonhouse,, please.
The GOP is still claiming there was massive fraud.
@moonbus saidAbout 4 clicks up Marsuder asks about trustworthiness etc regarding Trump. Speculation swirls all around, SHouse anccusations even more scurrilous than those of Marsuder.
https://www.republicannationalcommittee.org/election.html
The GOP is still claiming there was massive fraud.
But Biden? Our president is corrupt.
I suggest you all start discussing the real (world) problem with Biden. Heads in the sand? Not a mention nor a response to OUR missives?!? Who thinks he can keep treading water? So, y’all cool with Biden? Not only corrupt, but can’t talk, can’t stay awake.
Your dodging this REAL issue is noted. You will just keep on beating this horse about what the ex-president said, and did, and what his intent was. Truly, you know this means nothing in the real world.
@AverageJoe1
You pick one, I picked THREE. I guess besides not knowing 10% of 2 bil is 200 mil you can't even count the dings on my list. I notice you refuse to even acknowledge Trump led at LEAST two separate grifts. AND got slapped with 25 million in settlements.
I can see your rabid defense now, NOT A CRIME to be a grifter. Is that about it?
Nothing about morality or any other stuff involving actual morals which Trump has in ZERO supply. He would throw his DAUGHTER under the bus if it cleared him from his corruption charges, now up to NINTETY ONE separate charges in 4 separate systems, and OF COURSE all that is just a political witch hunt........
@shavixmir saidWe deal with these same A$$HOLES here on a daily basis.
https://youtu.be/Il4Cp74XRFI?si=icWIR6NIBREdBZpf
Oh deary me.
America… you are soooo screwed!
@averagejoe1 saidYeah, Biden doesn’t know what day of the week it is. The two-party system in America is broken. Trump is not the one who will fix it.
About 4 clicks up Marsuder asks about trustworthiness etc regarding Trump. Speculation swirls all around, SHouse anccusations even more scurrilous than those of Marsuder.
But Biden? Our president is corrupt.
I suggest you all start discussing the real (world) problem with Biden. Heads in the sand? Not a mention nor a response to OUR missives?!? Who thinks he can ke ...[text shortened]... sident said, and did, and what his intent was. Truly, you know this means nothing in the real world.
@no1marauder saidStatements like this one can be changed by saying 'The First Rule of Lliberals.....is to never admit that conservatives may be right about something.""
An interesting take from Amanda Marcotte at Salon"When a MAGA-American picks up the phone and hears a pollster from the hated "liberal media" ask them questions about Trump's indictments and general trustworthiness, they aren't answering the question asked. What they're really hearing, over and over: "Are you ready to admit that you were wrong and liberals were right all ...[text shortened]... MAGA is to never, ever, under any circumstances, admit that liberals might be right about something.
So it is a wash, is it not.?
But I will give you this...you libs stick together like glue, something we do not. Of course it is because we are independent thinkers, obviously.....OR, we would stick together like glue!!!
Our independence and such will be our downfall when we lose this country to you in the end. We should join and build barricades, as did the patriots in Les Mis'!!!
@moonbus saidI really would like to see him kick Putin and Xi ass, though...I hope he gets in just for that!,,,,,Oh, and of course, so that we ride a new economy into heaven. Think of all the poor folks who will be able to help themselves and profit. (sorry to use that word, prob caused you libs to miss a frisbee toss!!)
Yeah, Biden doesn’t know what day of the week it is. The two-party system in America is broken. Trump is not the one who will fix it.
@averagejoe1 saidYou mean the way Trump kicked N. Korea’s and Iran’s and the Taliban’s asses?
I really would like to see him kick Putin and Xi ass, though...I hope he gets in just for that!,,,,,Oh, and of course, so that we ride a new economy into heaven. Think of all the poor folks who will be able to help themselves and profit. (sorry to use that word, prob caused you libs to miss a frisbee toss!!)