1. Subscribersonhouse
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    22 Jan '22 20:35
    @Mott-The-Hoople
    Right. Trump HATES Putin. Sure, and I have a GREAT bridge for sale in Brooklyn.
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    22 Jan '22 20:38
    @suzianne said
    All of his right-wing white supremacist buddies are pro-Trump, anti-America too.

    What I don't get is why they are so pro-Russia just because Trump admires Putin (see ass-kissing), and yet for decades they were anti-anything-communist, especially Russia. But now that Trump is playing kissy-kissy with Putin's ass, they suddenly love Russia. Hypocrites. How sad that they ...[text shortened]... hate China. Hey, rednecks, you don't piss off a country that makes everything you own, come on now.
    Amazing, is it not?
    How is this man, TRUMP,
    able to hold such sway?
    Not like he did much as President,
    he constantly lied and used the office
    to make money..He is a spoiled rich kid
    who never held a job. Draft dodger, tax cheat,
    he's not even a very nice human being........
    Ya' know when people are conned they don't
    like to be reminded.........but stiII.....
    Difficult for me to understand.
  3. SubscriberEarl of Trumpsonline
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    22 Jan '22 23:53
    Update:

    Joe Biden is taking home nonessential embassy staff from Ukraine, starting Monday
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    23 Jan '22 00:08
    @sonhouse said
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    Putin definitely wants his old Soviet Union back and will do anything to get it.
    No this is more analogous to how Czarist Russia supported Serbia in the name of Pan Slavic solidarity.
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    @earl-of-trumps said
    Update:

    Joe Biden is taking home nonessential embassy staff from Ukraine, starting Monday
    none of our allies will trust us again
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    @mott-the-hoople said
    none of our allies will trust us again
    Well, don't fret, we are winning 'em back....
    Trump did his best to alienate all our allies.
    https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-12-04/u-s-allies-tired-of-flattering-trump-now-mock-him
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/26/politics/trump-european-union-diplomacy-intl-analysis/index.html
    https://www.thebulwark.com/trumps-treatment-of-our-allies-comes-home-to-roost/
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/02/world/europe/trump-merkel-allies.html
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    @jimm619 said
    Well, don't fret, we are winning 'em back....
    Trump did his best to alienate all our allies.
    https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-12-04/u-s-allies-tired-of-flattering-trump-now-mock-him
    https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/26/politics/trump-european-union-diplomacy-intl-analysis/index.html
    https://www.thebulwark.com/trumps-treatment-of-our-allies-comes-home-to-roost/
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/02/world/europe/trump-merkel-allies.html
    courtesy of nyt state media…damn you are gullible
  8. Standard memberAThousandYoung
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    23 Jan '22 01:42
    @mott-the-hoople said
    none of our allies will trust us again
    I thought conservative Americans didn't care what other countries think of us
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    @athousandyoung said
    I thought conservative Americans didn't care what other countries think of us
    your thinking is why you are where you are…keep trying
  10. SubscriberAverageJoe1
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    Russia will not invade Ukraine
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    @mott-the-hoople said
    your thinking is why you are where you are…keep trying
    Where do you think I am?
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    @athousandyoung said
    Where do you think I am?
    If you dont know I can help you
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    @averagejoe1 said
    Russia will not invade Ukraine
    give them a few more minutes
  14. SubscriberEarl of Trumpsonline
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    @mott-the-hoople said
    none of our allies will trust us again
    even if we were sending in troops, you have to get the diplomats out.
    Think WWII and pulling embassy staffers from France or even Germany. You gotta do it
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    23 Jan '22 04:55
    If it's possible, maybe we could drop the Biden v. Trump blame game discussion and focus on the issues involved.

    Here's a draft agreement Russia proposed in December to NATO: https://mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/rso/nato/1790803/?lang=en

    The most relevant parts are:

    "Article 4

    The Russian Federation and all the Parties that were member States of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization as of 27 May 1997, respectively, shall not deploy military forces and weaponry on the territory of any of the other States in Europe in addition to the forces stationed on that territory as of 27 May 1997. With the consent of all the Parties such deployments can take place in exceptional cases to eliminate a threat to security of one or more Parties.

    Article 5

    The Parties shall not deploy land-based intermediate- and short-range missiles in areas allowing them to reach the territory of the other Parties.

    Article 6

    All member States of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization commit themselves to refrain from any further enlargement of NATO, including the accession of Ukraine as well as other States.

    Article 7

    The Parties that are member States of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization shall not conduct any military activity on the territory of Ukraine as well as other States in the Eastern Europe, in the South Caucasus and in Central Asia.

    In order to exclude incidents the Russian Federation and the Parties that are member States of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization shall not conduct military exercises or other military activities above the brigade level in a zone of agreed width and configuration on each side of the border line of the Russian Federation and the states in a military alliance with it, as well as Parties that are member States of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization."

    Now which of these conditions are completely unacceptable to NATO (including the US)? If any are, why?
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