18 May 22
@earl-of-trumps saidI don't see how you possibly think these two things are connected.
@Suzianne
If men got pregnant, abortion would be legal everywhere
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If that were the case, it would be legal to rape women. ðŸ˜
The right loves to speak in non sequiturs.
18 May 22
@sh76 saidOr you could try finishing the article.
I've been reliably informed that if you think men can't get pregnant, you might be a bigot.
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/yep-trans-men-can-get-pregnant-why-calvin-kleins-ad-depicting-a-trans-family-is-causing-a-stir-211546554.html
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2021/09/pregnant-people-gender-identity/620031/
The point is, that you don't consider these men to be human either, do you?
Like women, just vessels for carrying fetuses.
18 May 22
@techsouth saidCould you maybe read the article?
@Suzianne
How dare you share this bigotry! Every decent person in 2022 knows that men can get pregnant.
WAY too many men going off half-cocked around here.
(Heh, see what I did there?)
@suzianne saidRight.
The point is, that you don't consider these men to be human either, do you?
Like women, just vessels for carrying fetuses.
I doubt my wife, 4 daughters, mother, mother-in-law and other female relatives and friends think that I consider women "just vessels for carrying fetuses."
As for what anyone else thinks...
<cue Rhett>
Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn.
@suzianne saidYeah Yeah.
Could you maybe read the article?
WAY too many men going off half-cocked around here.
(Heh, see what I did there?)
"Trans-Men" get pregnant, but not "Real" men.
Oops!!! I let it slip. Moderator, please don't ban me from the forums!!! Thankfully this forum is anonymous, lest my employer find out I had an aberrant thought that "Trans-Men" were somehow different than other men.
I will voluntarily enter a re-education facility.
@suzianne saidUtter bollocks. If men got pregnant the human race would be extinct. The pain of giving birth? No way jose!
If men got pregnant, abortion would be legal everywhere
The concept of women deciding when, whether and how to have children, is still a threat to the status quo.
By Laurie Penny
The New Statesman, UK edition
02 Dec 2015 <--- Yes!
The seahorse is a fascinating creature. Aside from being evidence that whatever god of creation may have existed was on ...[text shortened]... versation. The fact that we still are shows how far we’ve got to go before equality becomes reality.
19 May 22
@shavixmir saidThus abortions on every corner. There wouldn't even be a question.
Utter bollocks. If men got pregnant the human race would be extinct. The pain of giving birth? No way jose!
@moonbus saidI love these "if men got pregnant" chestnuts.
@Suzianne
If men got pregnant, there would be no war.
Throughout history, men have borne the brunt of war, individual combat, the vast majority of hard physical labor and virtually all pain and physical labor intensive activities except for childbirth. Yet all these burdens are eased only by the advent of new technologies (which have also decreased the dangers and discomforts of childbearing).
Now, I obviously don't know just how hard childbirth is, though my wife (who has given birth 6 times) says it's not as bad as a kidney stone, but I tend to doubt it's worse than hand-to-hand sword combat or more grueling than picking cotton for 10 hours a day for 60 straight days.
Both men and women have hardships, but the idea that women's hardships are inherently so much worse is silly.
@sh76 saidThe hours of childbirth are preceded by almost a year of nausea, pain, discomfort, lack of mobility and hampered ability to sleep that are with women 24/7 during pregnancy. And this could be while they are nursing other children, on top of whatever tasks women were expected to do.
I love these "if men got pregnant" chestnuts.
Throughout history, men have borne the brunt of war, individual combat, the vast majority of hard physical labor and virtually all pain and physical labor intensive activities except for childbirth. Yet all these burdens are eased only by the advent of new technologies (which have also decreased the dangers and discomforts of chil ...[text shortened]... and women have hardships, but the idea that women's hardships are inherently so much worse is silly.
Now imagine that you get pregnant again shortly after that because because birth control didn't exist for most of history.
Then, of course, domestic abuse from family members, fathers, husbands, the ever-present threat of rape, being married off to someone you never met because for most of history marriages were agreements between tribes not a result of dating....oh, and the ever-present fear of death from childbirth.
When we lived in the stone age where wars were ever present, there is an argument that life was harder to be men. But as we get more civilized and more advanced that disparity falls clearly in favor of men. In a world of grocery stores, office jobs and military to fight out battles, those same hardships remain pretty much the same for women.
The one exception *may* be rich women; in the right family, like the Kardashians, a woman's only job is to look pretty. But even in rich societies there's no shortage of horror stories about what women go through, being treated as the property of rich men.
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@vivify saidSpeakin' of "WHATABOUTISMS":
The hours of childbirth are preceded by almost a year of nausea, pain, discomfort, lack of mobility and hampered ability to sleep that are with women 24/7 during pregnancy. And this could be while they are nursing other children, on top of whatever tasks women were expected to do.
Now imagine that you get pregnant again shortly after that because because birth control di ...[text shortened]... o shortage of horror stories about what women go through, being treated as the property of rich men.
The topic of this thread should be vehemently attacked by ol' Jimmy WhatsHisName.
Yeah...If men got pregnant...
My opinion is that would be very weird, except in blue states. Then it'd be normal.
19 May 22
@vivify saidFair points. Child bearing was certainly a severe hardship through history, though much less so today.
The hours of childbirth are preceded by almost a year of nausea, pain, discomfort, lack of mobility and hampered ability to sleep that are with women 24/7 during pregnancy. And this could be while they are nursing other children, on top of whatever tasks women were expected to do.
Now imagine that you get pregnant again shortly after that because because birth control di ...[text shortened]... o shortage of horror stories about what women go through, being treated as the property of rich men.
There's still, of course, zero evidence for all these half-jokes half-taunts that men are coddled while women's struggles are ignored.
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@suzianne saidhavent you heard?
I think Lady Liberty wouldn't mind when it is something that benefits ALL of society. But you just can't handle women getting ANYthing you don't, is that about right?
And for your information, women actually have something men don't have. It's called a uterus. And THAT is why we're even having this conversation. Until you get one, you'll never understand.
...[text shortened]... ous elderly Irish woman taxi driver in Boston, speaking to Flo Kennedy and Gloria Steinem in her cab
"A Democrat witness testifying before the House Judiciary Committee on abortion rights Thursday declared that men can get pregnant and have abortions."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/dem-witness-tells-house-committee-204839024.html