@vivify saidWell Vivify, looks to me like you are suggesting that if you have no money or no clothes, and I have a load of it, that I must give that to you. Can you answer this question, is that true.?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_each_according_to_his_contribution
"To each according to his contribution" is a principle of distribution considered to be one of the defining features of socialism. It refers to an arrangement whereby individual compensation is representative of one's contribution to the social product.
From each according to his capacity, to each according to his works.
@shavixmir saidSo here is Shav chiming in (agreeing ) with AvJoe, unemployment is not Socialism. Jesus Christ why do y’all talk in circles all day long and change your minds in the middle of a thread.
Education for all is a socialist policy. Yes.
Union rights. Yes.
Health & Safety. Yes.
Unemployment benefit. No.
To a certain degree one could argue that unemployment insurance of sorts stemmed from the guilds, etc. in Europe.
And one, could possibly argue that the UK may have adopted unemployment benefit from a social perspective (pre-WW1), but even that’s pushing i ...[text shortened]... around in.
However, the guild system aside, only capitalist economies have unemployment benefit.
He ends his post, thst capitalism does provide unemployment benefits. Wow, we learn something new every day.!!! From Shav!
@techsouth saidWell, yes, one must deal with his problem child and surely make him responsible and teach him how to be self-reliant. Do you fellas have a problem with that, it seems like you do.
Or send them out with a lawnmower to mow neighbors lawns for cash.
Seemed like a "win-win" every time I did that as a kid.
@averagejoe1 saidNope. This is completely over your head. Sorry.
Unemployment benefit is not Socialism. Welfare where the government just gives money to the needy, and to the losers, is socialist. Looks like I am doing the teaching here.
Best stick to other threads from now on.
@zahlanzi saidQuite simple:
You keep repeating unemployment is a measure to "placate the masses" and not a socialist program yet you haven't addressed one bit why all the rest, like education, healthcare, pensions, child support, etc are in fact socialist programs but not capitalist measures to placate the masses.
It's like saying Ferraris are means of transportation but they are not cars. Only Volvos are cars
This is a weird conversation and I want out of it.
Education, child support (paying mothers as it is a job), healthcare (everyone has the right to be healthy) are socialist measures.
Yes. Within a capitalist society they help to placate the masses (stretch instead of snap), but nowhere in socialism is there a programme for people who don’t work.
That’s the difference.
The same as minimum wage.
Not a socialist demand, but a construct to make capitalism more acceptable.
@shavixmir saidAre you saying this is because there should be no unemployment under socialism? That at no point would anyone be fired because there's no capitalist incentive to do so?
but nowhere in socialism is there a programme for people who don’t work.
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@shavixmir saidWhat a post!
Nope. This is completely over your head. Sorry.
Best stick to other threads from now on.
Loser Alert!!!!! 😵💫
“The State is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else”
Frederic Bastiat
A great slogan for you, and def for Marauder, who wants losers to be supported by producers. You two losers should be ashamed.
Some people work harder than others …..how in the HELL do you two aberrants square that?
@averagejoe1 saidAlthough you are too stupid to understand this, I'm a libertarian socialist who thinks the State should be abolished in a perfect world.
@AverageJoe1
Marauder loves to weave the word State into his posts. He loves the concept.
@no1marauder saidPlease explain, and what follows and how achieved. No insult, just curious?
Although you are too stupid to understand this, I'm a libertarian socialist who thinks the State should be abolished in a perfect world.
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@mike69 saidIf you're really curious about libertarian socialism (which is one wing of what used to be called "anarchism" ) this site is for you: http://www.spunk.org/library/intro/faq/sp001547/index.html
Please explain, and what follows and how achieved. No insult, just curious?
@no1marauder saidYou claimed to be something and proud of it, I’m asking you. Maybe you have it wrong?
If you're really curious about libertarian socialism (which is one wing of what used to be called "anarchism" ) this site is for you: http://www.spunk.org/library/intro/faq/sp001547/index.html