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    Con man or medical pioneer?

    https://documentaryheaven.com/burzynski-cancer-cure-cover-up/

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/11/15/stanislaw-burzynski-cancer-controversy/2994561/
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    https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/treatment/complementary-alternative-therapies/individual-therapies/antineoplaston-therapy

    Most of the researchers that have reported positive results are associated with Dr Burzynski's clinic. These were case reports, and phase I or II clinical trials. Other researchers could not get the same results. So, they couldn’t show that this type of treatment helps to treat cancer.

    Early phase trials test what dose of treatment people should have. It also finds out how safe the treatment is; and how well it works. Early trials only give the treatment to small numbers of people.

    None of the studies at Dr Burzynski's clinic were randomised controlled studies. Randomised studies mean that there are at least two different groups in the trial. The researchers put people taking part into one or another group at random. A computer usually does the 'randomisation'.


    There doesn’t seem to be much proof that it works. Researchers working for said doctor get X-results in their trials, but no other researchers get anywhere near the same results.

    It sounds fishy to me.
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    Are you sure it isn't because he held patents that big pharma did not?

    https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/724445/000110465911032257/a11-13213_110k.htm
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    @metal-brain said
    @shavixmir
    Are you sure it isn't because he held patents that big pharma did not?

    https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/724445/000110465911032257/a11-13213_110k.htm
    Yet another conspiracy accusation?

    From the same UK article:

    Other researchers have criticised the Burzynski Clinic trials. Researchers feel the clinic has been researching this type of treatment for many years. But they have not done or reported any phase 3 trials. It is unusual for a clinical trial to last more than a few years. A large randomised clinical trial is the only way to properly test whether any new drug or therapy works.
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    @kewpie said
    Yet another conspiracy accusation?

    From the same UK article:

    Other researchers have criticised the Burzynski Clinic trials. Researchers feel the clinic has been researching this type of treatment for many years. But they have not done or reported any phase 3 trials. It is unusual for a clinical trial to last more than a few years. A large randomised clinical trial is the only way to properly test whether any new drug or therapy works.
    A few years? The clot shot seizure syrup was rolled out in a few months.

    Another fellow employee just rushed to hospital this afternoon for clots, a stent was put in in a matter of hours. I don't know if he had the juice yet, do you want to put some dollars on it?
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    @wajoma said
    A few years? The clot shot seizure syrup was rolled out in a few months.

    Another fellow employee just rushed to hospital this afternoon for clots, a stent was put in in a matter of hours. I don't know if he had the juice yet, do you want to put some dollars on it?
    The clinical trial scam is as old Dr feelgood medicine probably charging mugs for being part of the trial
    Again the length of time required for a reliable result has an inverse relationship to the scale of the trial and the resources allocated to it.

    Remember to keep us updated about your ‘’colleague’ I’m guessing he did have the seizure juice, probably hours before their clots appeared 🤔
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    @kewpie said
    Yet another conspiracy accusation?

    From the same UK article:

    Other researchers have criticised the Burzynski Clinic trials. Researchers feel the clinic has been researching this type of treatment for many years. But they have not done or reported any phase 3 trials. It is unusual for a clinical trial to last more than a few years. A large randomised clinical trial is the only way to properly test whether any new drug or therapy works.
    What UK article?
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    @metal-brain said
    What UK article?
    The one in shavixmir's post. A reputable British site.
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    @metal-brain said
    What UK article?
    The link I posted.
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    @shavixmir said
    The link I posted.
    How does it compare to traditional treatments? Do they prolong life longer than Burzynski's treatments? Are they safer than Burzynski's treatments?

    Is there any evidence chemotherapy is as effective as Burzynski's treatments?
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    @metal-brain said
    How does it compare to traditional treatments? Do they prolong life longer than Burzynski's treatments? Are they safer than Burzynski's treatments?

    Is there any evidence chemotherapy is as effective as Burzynski's treatments?
    Yes. Yea there are.

    God damn, you really are moronic.
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    @shavixmir said
    Yes. Yea there are.

    God damn, you really are moronic.
    Where is the evidence?

    So far all I have seen from your links is that there is no evidence that Burzynski's alternative treatment is more effective than chemotherapy and radiation. But if Burzynski claimed chemotherapy and radiation is no more effective than his treatments can you prove him wrong?
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    @metal-brain said
    How does it compare to traditional treatments? Do they prolong life longer than Burzynski's treatments? Are they safer than Burzynski's treatments?

    Is there any evidence chemotherapy is as effective as Burzynski's treatments?
    Your lying again or just plain stupid there is no reliable evidence that the Burzynski method works whilst there is years of reliable independent research testifying that surgery, radiography, chemotherapy and hormone therapy do work
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    @kevcvs57 said
    Your lying again or just plain stupid there is no reliable evidence that the Burzynski method works whilst there is years of reliable independent research testifying that surgery, radiography, chemotherapy and hormone therapy do work
    This.
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    @kevcvs57 said
    Your lying again or just plain stupid there is no reliable evidence that the Burzynski method works whilst there is years of reliable independent research testifying that surgery, radiography, chemotherapy and hormone therapy do work
    " there is years of reliable independent research testifying that surgery, radiography, chemotherapy and hormone therapy do work"

    Surgery for sure can be a life saver, but I was not talking about that.
    How well does chemotherapy and radiation work? Better than Burzynski's treatment? How do you know?

    Some people who got treatment from Burzynski are fierce supporters of his. They swear that he cured their cancer. Would they have become cancer free without his treatment anyway? If you can prove some people recover from cancer regardless of treatment or lack of treatment I will consider that possibility he is a charlatan like Anthony Fauci is. Can you do that?
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