@no1marauder saidglad you agree the Trump prosecution is taking the choice away from the people!
You would prefer what(?) instead of a democracy?
What is your problem with the People actually having a primary say in how their country is run?
@mott-the-hoople saidHow so?
glad you agree the Trump prosecution is taking the choice away from the people!
Idiots like you can still vote for him even after he gets convicted.
@no1marauder saidtaking time and resources away from being able to compaign, and as of Friday trying to silence him…you communist dickhead!
How so?
Idiots like you can still vote for him even after he gets convicted.
@mott-the-hoople saidMaybe he shouldn't have broken soooooooooooooooooooooo many laws.
taking time and resources away from being able to compaign, and as of Friday trying to silence him…you communist dickhead!
He was out cheating at golf the other day and he's on some show pretty much every night making a fool of himself, so it seems like he has plenty of time. And he's got chumps like you to pay his lawyers.
@no1marauder saidtell me a law Trump has broken …you cant can you commy boy
Maybe he shouldn't have broken soooooooooooooooooooooo many laws.
He was out cheating at golf the other day and he's on some show pretty much every night making a fool of himself, so it seems like he has plenty of time. And he's got chumps like you to pay his lawyers.
@no1marauder saidYou seem to avoid the problem with crowds of unrepresented people being able to vote a law. You have read, I am sure, that there are problems with that, mainly the failure of morality, the order of governance. A mob could elect anybody, without knowing what in the hell they need to have,,,,,,just go with the mob.
You would prefer what(?) instead of a democracy?
What is your problem with the People actually having a primary say in how their country is run?
Here is one of many articles, no sense hashing it all out. I like the college, all liberals want mob rule.
You casually say that mob rule is a democracy. It is a LOT more than that. I have this feeling you have marched in a street.
With a mob. Naaaa, no way to run a country. Marx had mobs, you know. I am more into order.
Starts with telling your elected rep what you want as a law. It all goes thru channels, don't you see? That is 'having people have a. say in how the country is run."
https://thefederalist.com/2016/12/30/electoral-college-saves-us-mob-rule-democracy/
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Just curious. There has to be debates, like to legalize abortion, our representatives with all of their input and knowledge and preparation (when is a baby a baby, whatever), so there has to be meetings, no order, just screaming and signs,,,,,lots of signs...(yuk) and no order, I think I just said that. So,You and Mott will finally agree that there needs to be representatives elected, and then carry on, which in effect is having the reps vote for the people......which.... Well,
You guessed it, E College. Otherwise, it is Sonhouse, et al going absolutely crazy, and killings , all that goes with .....you guessed it...mobs.
Order is better. Better to have a few people morally discuss in the capitol, put out their findings, and the representatives vote in the interest of the people. No mob, thus no shooting.
Can't believe you like the mob angle
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@averagejoe1 saidJesus, not the Electoral College BS again.
You seem to avoid the problem with crowds of unrepresented people being able to vote a law. You have read, I am sure, that there are problems with that, mainly the failure of morality, the order of governance. A mob could elect anybody, without knowing what in the hell they need to have,,,,,,just go with the mob.
Here is one of many articles, no sense hashing it al ...[text shortened]... ntry is run."
https://thefederalist.com/2016/12/30/electoral-college-saves-us-mob-rule-democracy/
It doesn't function anything like it was intended as has been explained to you dozens of times.
What it effectively does now is make the votes of everybody but those in a small number of swing States completely meaningless.
@no1marauder saidProve you are not lying then. I asked for a quote from the constitution and you failed to do so. Bank records show that nearly $20 million in payments were directed to the Biden family members and associates through various shell companies. We just want to know why and from who. Isn't that reasonable?
Why do you morons immediately start with the ridiculous accusations of "you're lying" when you are doing poorly in an argument?
No, a "direct quote" from the Constitution isn't needed; they used a term i.e. High Crimes and Misdemeanors that had a fixed meaning. That an idiot like you doesn't know what that was (and is) wasn't their problem. There are many terms in the Constitution that are not defined that the Framers used based on the understood meaning of the term.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cnn-inadvertently-makes-case-impeachment-inquiry
@no1marauder saidOh, so it is not a good idea? Then why hasn't the college been shut down?
Jesus, not the Electoral College BS again.
It doesn't function anything like it was intended as has been explained to you dozens of times.
What it effectively does now is make the votes of everybody but those in a small number of swing States completely meaningless.
@metal-brain saidMarauder will not, for some unknown reason, answwer this question. Why doesn't Marauder answer this question, and maybe comment on why the Biden activities do not bother him?
Prove you are not lying then. I asked for a quote from the constitution and you failed to do so. Bank records show that nearly $20 million in payments were directed to the Biden family members and associates through various shell companies. We just want to know why and from who. Isn't that reasonable?
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/cnn-inadvertently-makes-case-impeachment-inquiry
@averagejoe1 saidHere's the answer: it's none of mine or your business how much the Biden family makes unless it can be shown they did something illegal. And after years of Republican and right wing investigations, no serious evidence of illegality has been found.
Marauder will not, for some unknown reason, answwer this question. Why doesn't Marauder answer this question, and maybe comment on why the Biden activities do not bother him?
And not a dime of that $20 million has been traced to Joe Biden.
So it's all a nothingburger.
@averagejoe1 saidIt's hard to change the Constitution.
Oh, so it is not a good idea? Then why hasn't the college been shut down?
If the Democrats were winning Presidental elections by getting less popular votes but a majority of EC votes, right wingers would be screaming for its abolition and like a good mindless follower you'd be screaming with them.
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@no1marauder saidExcuse me Mr. Lawyer, but doesn't Trump get the same presumption of innocence guaranteed under the constitution that we all get?
Maybe he shouldn't have broken soooooooooooooooooooooo many laws.
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@jj-adams saidActually, there is no "presumption of innocence" explicitly stated in the US Constitution, so by the logic you've expressed in this thread it doesn't exist. But the Framers considered it a part of the requirement of "due process of law" just like they considered "High Crimes and Misdemeanors" to be limited to official misconduct of the officer sought to be impeached. Funny how that works.
Excuse me Mr. Lawyer, but doesn't Trump get the same presumption of innocence guaranteed under the constitution that we all get?
Anyway, presumption of innocence is a trial requirement; it does not mean that ordinary citizens cannot make judgments based on known facts (I'm not on one of Trump's juries). You assume guilt of persons all the time on this board although you generally reserve that for people of a certain "race".