Should development time be set aside to update the Clan feature?

@Trev333 said
Don't understand why you have mentioned me? I don't have an issue with the clan points system the way it is, everyone knows the rules and plays by it.

A few things I would like to improve things.

1. As discussed here a bit, something else completely separate from the clan table. A mini league, a cup... something to add interest for all and not just a few clans. Obvious ...[text shortened]... only reason is to keep ratings low which is cheating and those players should be banned from clans.

@Trev,

I could be one of the people your talking about with a floating rating, but most here know about where my playing strength is, and I am talking about the Clan Leaders.

It has dropped over the years due to health problems and probably getting older doesn't help much either. I play a ton of games as you know. I do have my flashes of the old VR at times. 😉

I know a solution but it may be to difficult for Russ to code and take too much time and effort as his plate is usually pretty full, not to mention money it may take to do it.. A separate rating for just the Clan Challenges from all other ones would make a world of diffrence. Eventually everyone would hit their true playing strength.

As we know this has been an issue for many years and you and I have disuccused it now on several occasions and you did seem in favor of the idea.

-VR

@shortcircuit said

First of all, you can play all of the slow long drawn out chess matches you want to on this site. There are some massively long time limit tournaments. You can play skittles games with anyone you like. You can play postal chess if you like. Now, being an affectionado of the game as you present yourself to be, have you ever heard of speed chess? They offer it here. Ther ...[text shortened]... t a single game to a time out. It is not that hard, and to say it is any different, just isn't true.

Great to hear 3/7 works for you.

Although we all bob around in the same ocean, we do so in different boats. If a majority prefer a slower time control such as 3/14 (more in the spirit of correspondence chess, where game analysis transcends speed of play) then we should go with that. (Personally speaking, 3/7 works pretty well for me too and I likewise have never lost a game on time, but this isn't about personal preferences.)

@Ghost-of-a-Duke said
Great to hear 3/7 works for you.

Although we all bob around in the same ocean, we do so in different boats. If a majority prefer a slower time control such as 3/14 (more in the spirit of correspondence chess, where game analysis transcends speed of play) then we should go with that. (Personally speaking, 3/7 works pretty well for me too and I likewise have never lost a game on time, but this isn't about personal preferences.)

@Ghost,

Agreed, that is the keywords (Personal Preferences)!!! This is why I say a vote should be taken by all Clan Challenge players to see what the preferred time would be for them.

I believe 3/14 is way too slow, again that is my personal preference would be 3/7!
3/7 can take a long time to play, I can't imagine playing a 3/14 a challenge could last forever!!!

-VR

@shortcircuit said

it makes ZERO sense for players to be in multiple clans. Name me any sport in the world where players play on multiple teams within the same umbrell a of a game. There are none. This creates problems because it facilitates collusion. It also causes a problem because any time two clans who have a common player between them, that player is automatically excluded from being in that challenge. That is a limitation.

I see nothing wrong with players being part of more than one clan if that rocks their boat. (I note a number of your own clan share this opinion).

And I would step away from the 'collusion' angle. This led one of your own clan members to make insipid insinuations against a respected clan leader, just because he happened to be in a second clan saying he always played his best when doing so.

Genuine collusion (of which I have never seen any examples) can easily be flagged to the mods. (And the 'common player' thing barely registers as an issue. Just don't play them in that particular challenge).

@Ghost-of-a-Duke said
I see nothing wrong with players being part of more than one clan if that rocks their boat. (I note a number of your own clan share this opinion).

And I would step away from the 'collusion' angle. This led one of your own clan members to make insipid insinuations against a respected clan leader, just because he happened to be in a second clan saying he always play ...[text shortened]... mmon player' thing barely registers as an issue. Just don't play them in that particular challenge).

@Ghost,

You are talking about me, and that Clan leader who said he would back Trev's Clan is also the guy who makes the Challenges againts Trev's Clan. The OPTICS do not look GOOD!!

Also plays in Tev's Clan. Anyone else said that most you would be going nuts over it.

-VR

@shortcircuit said

Since this is not a game of individuals, but a team game, the needs of the team outweigh the needs of the individual. As the system is set up currently, there is nothing wrong with resigning games once a challenge has been decided. I have argued this ad nauseum as well.

No, you are wrong on this. It is poor chess etiquette and goes against the spirit of chess. - It merely highlights you have lost your way in your pursuit for quantity over respect for one's opponent. - Every time you have asked a clan member to ditch their games to end a challenge, a part of your chess soul has perished.

This remains true, irrespective of the times you have beaten your drum.

@shortcircuit said

Another problem is the 3 simultaneous challenge situation. This prohibits the massive amounts of games that would be possible, yes. But is also limits clans that like to play a lot of challenges against any other clan in particular. There is talk of playing fixed numbers of games to limit this, as you advanced the notion earlier. But did you also consider how many cla ...[text shortened]... to even be considered for the top clan position?
Then, at least you would level the playing field.

These limits are a good thing, to aid clan leaders unable to self regulate. (And as collusion risk is an issue for you, prevent clans playing other clans repeatedly that they know they can easily beat).


And if clans are indeed refusing to play you, maybe reflect on why this might be the case. (Rather than looking for ways to make it compulsory to play you).

@Very-Rusty said
@Ghost,

You are talking about me, and that Clan leader who said he would back Trev's Clan is also the guy who makes the Challenges againts Trev's Clan. The OPTICS do not look GOOD!!

-VR

Is alerting perfectly acceptable posts really all you have?

No counter arguments?

@shortcircuit said


Not sure any of you will take the time to read this, and honestly, I am not sure why I took the time to type it out for you, but perhaps if may give you pause to consider things that haven't been taken into account.

Well, I think I have read, and addressed all your salient points.

I hope my responses give you pause to consider things outside of your bubble.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke said
Is alerting perfectly acceptable posts really all you have?

No counter arguments?

@Ghost,

Show your evidence before making false statements would be my suggestion to you.

Don't be too sure I alerted your post!!!

-VR

@Very-Rusty said
@Ghost,

Show your evidence before making false statements would be my suggestion to you.

Don't be too sure I alerted your post!!!

-VR

No one else is loitering, or is sad enough.


Edit: I note the alert has already been rejected.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke said
No one else is loitering, or is sad enough.

@Ghost,

You have no idea how many watch the silliness you post, give them their laugh for the day.

Have a Great day! I am off to play some chess, you have lots of time to chat in here but not enough time to play 3/7's???? I guess you said you did, but are trying hard for 3/14's!!!!! 😉

-VR

@Very-Rusty said
@Ghost,

You have no idea how many watch the silliness you post, give them their laugh for the day.

Have a Great day! I am off to play some chess, you have lots of time to chat in here but not enough time to play 3/7's???? I guess you said you did, but are trying hard for 3/14's!!!!! 😉

-VR

Yes, best for everyone for you to remove yourself from this conversation.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke said
Yes, best for everyone for you to remove yourself from this conversation.

@Ghost,

You WISH!!!! 😛 😉

IF Russ asks me I will do so, if not keep on WISHING!!!!

Who do you think you are to say who can post???

-VR

@Very-Rusty said
@Ghost,

You WISH!!!! 😛 😉

IF Russ asks me I will do so, if not keep on WISHING!!!!

Who do you think you are to say who can post???

-VR

You said you were off to play some chess.

Do that.