@Bish saidPerhaps you misunderstood my meaning for the "dissention". That was directed at the community as a whole, not at you. Perhaps a better term would have been "disagreement" as to the proper fix. I wish you well in your endeavor, but I have been through this many times before and there was never any traction other than the occasional rule re-writes.
I read it all and there is not a lot to disagree with.
The only thing I might quibble with is "there is so much dissention here, I seriously doubt you would ever get a quorum to all agree."
Suggesting an improvement (debatable I know) is not necessary dissention.
A new clan league would be fun. I don't see how anyone can disagree with that - if they do they can just not join.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidFair enough on breaking it down. My thoughts on one of your comments
A lot to read indeed sir, so will respond in bites if that's ok.
You ask, "Name me any sport in the world where players play on multiple teams within the same umbrella of a game.' - Fair question, but i ask you in return, 'Name me any sport in the world where a given league doesn't have a cap of some kind and where the winner is decided by the team who plays the mo ...[text shortened]... p) play each other a set amount of times (like in the Premiership, for example) within a given year.
Imagine Bolton winning the premiership because they were able to play more games than the other teams. - Would that make any sense?
I don't think that is quite the same. It would be more accurate if you said instead of games won and lost "which team scored the most points and gave up the fewest points" Naturally, you would assume the team that did the best at both would automatically win the total games
Also, if a clan played nothing but 20 man challenges, they wouldn't have to play as many matches to amass the same level of points, right?
@shortcircuit saidAll leagues have teams that play the same amount of games, that's my point. If Bolton wants to win the actual Premiership they have to get the most points possible out of their fixed 38 matches. (Not by playing extra games) - The same should be the case in the Clan system.
Fair enough on breaking it down. My thoughts on one of your comments
Imagine Bolton winning the premiership because they were able to play more games than the other teams. - Would that make any sense?
I don't think that is quite the same. It would be more accurate if you said instead of games won and lost "which team scored the most points and gave up the fewest p ...[text shortened]... man challenges, they wouldn't have to play as many matches to amass the same level of points, right?
And I'll pick you up on your reference previously to 'hard work' (in running a successful clan). Improvements should actually focus on reducing the need for hard work (by automating features like challenges etc) to make the clan system more accessible to a wider range of people who are happy to put in a reasonable about of effort, but not excessive amounts in order to be competitive.
Be honest, when you see the clan feature being the same 2 horse race every year (even if one of those horses is your own) do you think this is good for the clan feature as a whole?
The level playing field you speak of can only really be achieved with a reasonable cap on the number of yearly challenges, so the system is more than just quantity of games played.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidWell put and agreed. A few people have suggested my team has had mismatches and we win a lot. We do. But we lose more than anyone to.
All leagues have teams that play the same amount of games, that's my point. If Bolton wants to win the actual Premiership they have to get the most points possible out of their fixed 38 matches. (Not by playing extra games) - The same should be the case in the Clan system.
And I'll pick you up on your reference previously to 'hard work' (in running a successful cl ...[text shortened]... le cap on the number of yearly challenges, so the system is more than just quantity of games played.
Winning percentage of games for what will be the winner Metallica. 75% win rated.
My team has a 60 percent win rate. Just over half. Which means we are very close to have almost dead even matches. We win just over half our games. We also don't have very large challenges like other teams. As Fred pointed out if you can get big challenges you don't have to play as much.
But the winning percentages I think speak volumes on my team and how our pairing are. As i had said before Metallica would make a jump and now they are over a 1000 points net. I've been sitting at the same amount of point for over a month or more. My games take three times as long as most and despite what people think we are not resigning games at the rate we use to. I can't remember the last time we did to end a challenge.
In any case if we are barely winning over half our games at 60 percent I think it shows our challenges are spot on. We just have a great team. Not the best team this year.
Big difference between 75 percent and 60 percent and a few people in here are complaining about my team? Unfair challenges? How can that be with a low win rate. Better than most yes but to the point to be suggesting poor pairings.
WE have won more games and challenges than anyone but they are small. And we lose more than anyone as well. As shown by the winning percentage. Nothing to write home about. Sorry to have put this here Ghost I am not complaining about you in any way and I agreed with your post. And your ideas.
This is just where I landed. Sorry. All my best. And if I'm wrong please feel free to tell me. I'd feel better if I was.
@Bish saidthat is as important as the amount of games we play. Look how many we play and win but look at how many we lose? Our win rate I had my friend do it is 60.30 percent. Metallica has a win rate of 75.24 percent in terms of games. I bring this up because two or three players in here think our pairings are so unfair. Then why is our win percentage just over half which means it's a lot lower but we happen to be a better team than most at the moment but the best team is Metallica who is over 1000 points I have 957 which has been there for more than a month.
2026 Year to Date
Challenges — winning percentage, draw equals half win half loss
Clan --- Win %
Oh Canada --- 100.0%
Metallica --- 73.9%
Sinéad's Sopranos --- 67.0%
MexUSA --- 66.7%
Breaking Bad Clan --- 62.7%
Woodpushers --- 61.8%
the dartmoor wolf --- 60.0%
CPU (Chess Players United) --- 59.3%
6 Max --- 57.4%
Breaking Others Brings Pleasure --- 57.0%
BEE ...[text shortened]... ortuguese Speakers --- 33.3%
Kiwi Clan --- 33.0%
Karma Sutra --- 32.8%
Enjoyment clan ! --- 12.5%
I agree with your point completely. Not disagreeing. I'm just saying the percentages tell a story by themselves and are as important as the amount of games which you pointed out. Hope that makes sense. If not I apologize.
Michael 🙂
@Michael-Martin saidWe are agreed Michael. As they say in the NFL - tape don't lie.
that is as important as the amount of games we play. Look how many we play and win but look at how many we lose? Our win rate I had my friend do it is 60.30 percent. Metallica has a win rate of 75.24 percent in terms of games. I bring this up because two or three players in here think our pairings are so unfair. Then why is our win percentage just over half whic ...[text shortened]... amount of games which you pointed out. Hope that makes sense. If not I apologize.
Michael 🙂
Metallica has the highest winning percentage of the active clans and are at the top of the clan table.
It will be interesting to see what 2027 brings. I will put my energies into the Sopranos and see if we can maybe break into the top two next year.
We will need to find two or three focused and disciplined 1500-1600 players in order to catch you next year. Send over any suggestions you might have - I will pass them along to trev. 🐺
@Bish saidI'm actually good at that and have good relationships. I have four players waiting to join my clan now. I will put a list together for you to start vetting for Trev and hopefully you both will find it useful. I'll get on it. All my best.
We are agreed Michael. As they say in the NFL - tape don't lie.
Metallica has the highest winning percentage of the active clans and are at the top of the clan table.
It will be interesting to see what 2027 brings. I will put my energies into the Sopranos and see if we can maybe break into the top two next year.
We will need to find two or three focused and discipline ...[text shortened]... to catch you next year. Send over any suggestions you might have - I will pass them along to trev. 🐺
Michael
ps. Good post.
@Bish saidJust for grins and giggles, take a look at won challenges and see how many are won by a point or two. When matches are that close they are contested wins. We have played many such matches that we were fortunate to win. We have also gotten out butts handed to us on sevral occasions. Once again, the tape don't lie. If we are to be labeled the bully on the block, go look closer at the numbers and do the same with the other top clans. With the exception of several clans that refuse to play us, we somehow manage to get an awful lot of challenges accepted. Many of the clan leaders in here will attest that both sides agree on the challenges before they are made. No guns pointed at head, no money in the pocket and zero collusion. Just hard core chess, plain and simple. If you want to be the best, you play everyone. We play all we can and are getting villified?
We are agreed Michael. As they say in the NFL - tape don't lie.
Metallica has the highest winning percentage of the active clans and are at the top of the clan table.
It will be interesting to see what 2027 brings. I will put my energies into the Sopranos and see if we can maybe break into the top two next year.
We will need to find two or three focused and discipline ...[text shortened]... to catch you next year. Send over any suggestions you might have - I will pass them along to trev. 🐺
Trevor, we have butted heads many times. You have won some, we have won some. Have there ever been any controversies? Just take a look at what I have said and see if you are more enlightened. Fair enough??
@shortcircuit saidI can say Fred I have never had any problems creating challenges with Metallica. My clan kept our game count down - so I have taken players out on occasion. But I have never felt taken advantage of and you and I have never had a cross word. We have taken a few points off you this year 🤭
Just for grins and giggles, take a look at won challenges and see how many are won by a point or two. When matches are that close they are contested wins. We have played many such matches that we were fortunate to win. We have also gotten out butts handed to us on sevral occasions. Once again, the tape don't lie. If we are to be labeled the bully on the block, go look cl ...[text shortened]... troversies? Just take a look at what I have said and see if you are more enlightened. Fair enough??
As a girls football coach for 20 years - I have a special aversion to bullies in this life. That word would have never occured to me here.
@shortcircuit saidChange is the law of life. And those who look only to the past or present are certain to miss the future.
You are living in a dream world if you think you are going to get a massive overhaul of this system without the blessing of Russ either. He has shown a reluctatance to spend a lot of coding time on this. Without that, this is all a bunch of lip service.
John F. Kennedy
@Ghost-of-a-Duke said@Ghost,
Change is the law of life. And those who look only to the past or present are certain to miss the future.
John F. Kennedy
In all due respect to the Late John F. Kennedy if the future is going to look like I think it may look then I will pass on it. 😉
-VR
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@shortcircuit saidDon't understand why you have mentioned me? I don't have an issue with the clan points system the way it is, everyone knows the rules and plays by it.
Just for grins and giggles, take a look at won challenges and see how many are won by a point or two. When matches are that close they are contested wins. We have played many such matches that we were fortunate to win. We have also gotten out butts handed to us on sevral occasions. Once again, the tape don't lie. If we are to be labeled the bully on the block, go look cl ...[text shortened]... troversies? Just take a look at what I have said and see if you are more enlightened. Fair enough??
A few things I would like to improve things.
1. As discussed here a bit, something else completely separate from the clan table. A mini league, a cup... something to add interest for all and not just a few clans. Obviously there isn't the numbers for a return to the old clan leagues but there's numbers for something and something is better than nothing.
2. Separate clan ratings, like the clubs have. When you see 1500 rated players at 1250 and a 75% win percentage for their clan, that isn't right. Not saying anyone is cheating but it's too easy to play tournament games, not really care so much, lose and have a lower rating for clan matchups where they try harder. A separate clan rating helps prevent that.
3. A lot of games are resigned after a challenge has been decided. To prevent this I'd prefer the clan to be scored and points awarded as soon as the challenge has been decided. Then another challenge can be set up while the other games play out. If they're still being resigned then the only reason is to keep ratings low which is cheating and those players should be banned from clans.
@Very-Rusty saidGreat. I'll get your coat.
@Ghost,
In all due respect to the Late John F. Kennedy if the future is going to look like I think it may look then I will pass on it. 😉
-VR
@Ghost-of-a-Duke said@Ghost,
Great. I'll get your coat.
Very kind of you but I don't intend on going anywhere, unless the good lord calls me. 😉 or Russ boots me off of the Site!!!
-VR