@Bish saidBish,
"I believe you want a system where you can play as few games as possible and win something. I don't see how this improves the Clan Challenges System in anyway."
This is good - we are getting somewhere. No not as few as games as possible. However also not 3616 games a year which is what Breaking Bad played last year. You finished 10 games every day all year. Breaking Bad won m ...[text shortened]... ne playing the same amount of games? Wouldn't it be fun to both outwork and outsmart the rest of us?
I never said you had to agree with any of my suggestions I said read them and you can like them or not that is entirely up to you. I suggest if you don't have the time to put into making clan Challenges, then don't be a clan leader. Be a player, let someone who has more time make the clan challenges, you could always help.
I don't want to see a sectional clan system. Many of the smaller clans could be combined and the two Clan leaders could work together, which where having a co-clan leader would come in handy as you would have two players capable of making Clan challenges, which would help those who work.
I know not all are retired, and if you have a job it is tough to do the work required and get in the games required to make the amount of challenges needed to be in the Top Clans. Russ has already said that would be easy to do. We need everyone in agreement which is the hardest part. For years, it has been difficult to get All Clan Leaders on the same page.
Two would lighten the load for sure, in my opinion. I am a Co-Captain on another Site as I have said, and it works out very nicely in fact we have a Captain and 2 co-captains and only 32 people in that Team, some teams have as many as 200 Plus players and 3 co-captains and a captain. So they are all very busy. When the load is divided it makes it much easier for the Clan Leader or Team Leader which ever the case may be.
I would agree, Michael is one of the best Clan Leaders as winning 2 out of 4 last year Championship's and placing second the other 2 years is an Epic accomplishment. The Leader of Metallica is also a Top Notch Clan Leader, who I believe you will see do much better this year, sometimes life gets in the way this where a Co-Clan Leader would be so valuable to have in all the Clans who would want them. Anything that is going to make the Clean Leaders job a little easier is better for everyone, especially for the Site in my opinion. It would indeed improve the Clan Challenges to a degree.
We actually averaged less than 10 games a day, as we would have needed 3,365 wins not 3,316. Some of our challenges go on for 4 months and longer. Why? because people hold games to stop us from starting new Challenges that 3 Challenge rule. That is not good sportsmanship the way I look at it. Especially when it is being done purposely.
-VR
@Very-Rusty saidAgain that is true. If we had to play all clans, then they would have give the same amount of games per challenge. This way Everyone is able to get the same amount of points. This is a must.
Suzianne,
I agree with you. It seems like it would end up in to more a popularity contest with Clan leaders who like each other playing each other many times so one of them would win.
One way to do it would be for some way to make it so every clan had to play every other clan a set number of times. We have 3 right now that you can play consecutive chal ...[text shortened]... could possible win it all every year. Wouldn't that be FUN!!!
My little Rant for the day.
-VR
But as Rusty put it, perfectly I believe, he shows the issues in the ideas. I wish I had a good idea. The only one I ever thought of was a rating system that was different from the others. Like tournaments has their own rating system.
@Michael-Martin saidAnd clubs.
Again that is true. If we had to play all clans, then they would have give the same amount of games per challenge. This way Everyone is able to get the same amount of points. This is a must.
But as Rusty put it, perfectly I believe, he shows the issues in the ideas. I wish I had a good idea. The only one I ever thought of was a rating system that was different from the others. Like tournaments has their own rating system.
@Michael-Martin said@Michael-Martin,
Again that is true. If we had to play all clans, then they would have give the same amount of games per challenge. This way Everyone is able to get the same amount of points. This is a must.
But as Rusty put it, perfectly I believe, he shows the issues in the ideas. I wish I had a good idea. The only one I ever thought of was a rating system that was different from the others. Like tournaments has their own rating system.
We had a vote on that idea about a separate Clan Rating years ago and it was Voted down. Only Clan leaders were involved in the vote. The reason it got voted down was because many of the Clan leaders wanted their players to play in Tournaments to lower their ratings. Therefore we didn't get a separate rating.
IF EVERONE in the Clans were permitted to vote I think you may see a different out come as many I have spoken to privately in P.M.'s who are members in Clans have said they would like to see a separate Clan Rating for the Challenges also. I will not mention names, they can speak for themselves if they wish.
-VR
@Ghost-of-a-Duke saidDo you agree on separate Ratings for Clan Challenges also?
That's what I said.
-VR
@Very-Rusty saidI think the idea has merit.
Do you agree on separate Ratings for Clan Challenges also?
-VR
@Ghost-of-a-Duke said@Ghost,
I think the idea has merit.
Finally something we are in agreement on. Miracles do happen!
-VR
As we move through the year it is time to look toward the clan feature in 2026. If you think we can improve the clan feature - now is the time to post your ideas or tell @Russ.
Some have posted that we used to have a lot more clans.
Looking at the Net Points this year - most table, I see that the leading clan today has won more games than the next three clans combined.
I believe these two things are related. If there is no chance to win without making it the most important thing in your life, there is no point in playing.
One idea I had was a Cup - a second competition. Maybe some clans will compete for the 2026 Net Points this year - most title, and maybe some clans will focus on the Cup. Perhaps the bigger and better clans will try to win both. It's an idea. If you like the idea and think your clan might participate - tell @Russ.
Perhaps clan leaders and clan members have other ideas to add interest and grow the clan feature. Now is a good time to share those ideas. 2026 development will start soon.
@Bish said@Bish,
As we move through the year it is time to look toward the clan feature in 2026. If you think we can improve the clan feature - now is the time to post your ideas or tell @Russ.
Some have posted that we used to have a lot more clans.
Looking at the Net Points this year - most table, I see that the leading clan today has won more games than the next three clans combined. ...[text shortened]... nd grow the clan feature. Now is a good time to share those ideas. 2026 development will start soon.
Why are you so determined to change the rules to suit you and a few other clans?
The reason Breaking Bad has a good lead is because we carried over games from last year as other clans do, but we carried more, and we hung on to more, we played more, our clan leader put more work into it than any of the other clan leaders which is what happened.
If you want to Get more points you have to play more challenges, it really isn't Rocket Science!!! Just a lot of hard work which many Clans aren't interested in doing, in my opinion.
Metallica did it for years and were very successful, you will notice they are in second spot and their leader is actually putting more work into it than many of you other leaders, with no offense intended just a FACT!
-VR
@Very-Rusty saidLets see if I can keep it short. Most likely not. First off I'm not sure what the debate is actually about. I can tell you we are allowed to play a million games in any year we play for the championship. It's legal, it's fair, not one rule is broken.
Bish,
I never said you had to agree with any of my suggestions I said read them and you can like them or not that is entirely up to you. I suggest if you don't have the time to put into making clan Challenges, then don't be a clan leader. Be a player, let someone who has more time make the clan challenges, you could always help.
I don't want to see a sectional ...[text shortened]... t is not good sportsmanship the way I look at it. Especially when it is being done purposely.
-VR
Do you think I spend ten minutes on making challenges? Do you think I have not made good strong relationships with leaders? And working with leaders to get matches that are fair for both sides. We won more last year but lost more than anyone to.
I should not be punished nor Metallica and IVV because we have more time than other leaders and can spend more time on this. We love the site and being a leader of a team.
I spend 40 hours a week give or take. It's why I know almost every single player on every team. It's also a big part of why we win. I know everyone's ability. And as Fred put it, Ratings mean nothing.
Again, why should the top clans be punished because we have a lot more time? Your life as leaders is what it is. My life is what it is and I make use of my time working on my clan, leaders, and all the players involved.
We or nobody should be punished because some leaders have more time.
Or, come home from work and half the week when you get home, spend two or three hours looking over matches, challenges, and players. Do that for a year and you will be at the top.
But enough sour grapes. If we win a million games, it means WE EARNED IT.
The old fashioned way.
HARD WORK.
I do like the idea of a CO Captain though. And different ratings for clan players. Those two ideas are great by me.
Placing a cap on how many games you can play is insane. You will lose people if you do that. I know this to be fact. Also my players love to play and they play a lot of games. I don't give them a limit or tell them what they can and can't do in terms of playing a number of games. They get to play what they want.
As it should be. A cap on how many games? Just plain nuts.
And I think Very Rusty also put it best with his idea's, and opinions on the current topics.
And everyone is missing one point. We do have a rule in place. 3 challenges is the max you can play at one time. That slows things up.
Lastly, there are leaders that say " I don't anymore matches, or I don't want to give my guys to many games, that is one I hear a ton, also they tell me players are at their max. " I think to myself all your players are maxed out? My point being there are leaders that restrict how many games they can play.
Ask for more games. It's really simple. And there are other things that are easy to do that would help you.
My best to everyone, and thank you once again to Very Rusty for speaking up for our clan and for me. He has more experience than almost everyone except Fred and a few others. It would be smart to listen to him.
Sorry, it was not a short post.
Sincerely,
Michael
🙂
@Very-Rusty saidYou are exactly spot on with that post. We took or carried challenges from last year over to this year. It just happens with the system. But we had double the challenges to bring over into this year. They are now ending and new matches are being made in the hopes it finishes this year.
@Bish,
Why are you so determined to change the rules to suit you and a few other clans?
The reason Breaking Bad has a good lead is because we carried over games from last year as other clans do, but we carried more, and we hung on to more, we played more, our clan leader put more work into it than any of the other clan leaders which is what happened.
If ...[text shortened]... tting more work into it than many of you other leaders, with no offense intended just a FACT!
-VR
But it is a lot of work controlling what challenges we bring with us. But we bring as many as we can, actually it just happens when other teams move to slow and we end up carrying the challenges into the following year.
All points Rusty just made only he did it better. I also agree with Rusty, we don't change rules for the minority, a few clans, to make it easier for them. We have gone through a lot of changes, I don't think we need anymore except the two I mentioned.
Great Post Rusty you said it far better than I did.
All my best everyone.
Michael
@Michael-Martin
@russ
Anyone who wants a co captain let russ know. He seemed to be on board with that and I believe he will do it if enough people message him. co captain will help the leaders share the work load. It's a good idea. I'd like to see that happen.
@Very-Rusty saidWhy are you against new ideas to improve the clan system?
@Bish,
Why are you so determined to change the rules to suit you and a few other clans?