01 Apr 11
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Originally posted by Agergwhat principles does your religion profess dear Agers? that if applied, will bring the
Well Tolkein has passed on unfortunately - we are left only with his writings; writings which are clearly factual. I don't know why you keep raising the issue of people and places - like I said, Gandalf did some magic and middle earth was transformed into modern earth - no phyiscal evidence is or can ever, logically, be available.
initiate closer to ?? closer to, ummm your deity? enlightenment? betterment of himself
and others?
01 Apr 11
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieWell I'm not so sure the principles found within my belief system correlate in any way with the veracity of the sacred texts (and the same applies to any other religion, including yours). But anyhow, it teaches us to be grateful to folk who on first appearances are lacking in stature but are actually capable of great acts - and inspire us to work together in harmony. Indeed the dwarves entered into an alliance with the elves, who could have possibly imagined such a thing!?? Surely a useful lesson for us all! We also know about the great evil of Sauron and are better equipped to fend him off should he rise up again!
what principles does your religion profess dear Agers? that if applied, will bring the
initiate closer to ?? closer to, ummm your deity? enlightenment? betterment of himself
and others?
01 Apr 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobieJust as a matter of interest, if a secular historian could be found, what percentage of facts from the Lord of the Rings would need to be verified?
not so fast there dear Agers, there must at least be one secular historian that will lend
his credentials to your case? no historian, no case. no archaeology, no case? no real
people, no case, no real events, no case, no visible places, no case. fantasy dear Agers,
dweam dweam dweam!
02 Apr 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobiewhat you fail to see Robbie (because you do not want to) is the beliefs of Mormonism are every bit as ludicrous (to many) as those held by you.
its just not very convincing, like the book of Mormon which claims other civilisations
lived in America. Are these places and civilisations corroborated by secular historians?
no, well you dont have a case dear Agers, your a fantasy merchant!
A secret tribe of Israelites in Nth America and a hidden arc of the covenant is just as likely as all the events in your bible being true.
On the other hand, there are no inherant contradictions l have seen between the books The Simarillion. The Hobbit or The Lord ofthe Rings Trilogy - this cannot be said for your religious works.
In Tokeins works the good guys are good and the bad guys are bad. Gandalf doesnt waste whole villages and kill children and allow women to be raped (and he isnt ominpresecent and all knowing etc like your book claims your god is - so no excuses there mate) so this is much more believable. If your god is so good why does HE do so many bad things - and by being all knowing and omini presecent HE IS doing these things cause he could stop them as easily as l think ummm dinner.
Suck it up Robbie admit you are wrong and convert.
You could share some racous stories with those in the Shire. And c'mon dont tell me you havent always wanted to don some Mithral armour and venture into Moria....
02 Apr 11
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Originally posted by nook7mere unsubstantiated opinion masquerading as truth, for in contrast to the claims of
what you fail to see Robbie (because you do not want to) is the beliefs of Mormonism are every bit as ludicrous (to many) as those held by you.
A secret tribe of Israelites in Nth America and a hidden arc of the covenant is just as likely as all the events in your bible being true.
On the other hand, there are no inherant contradictions l have seen betwe mon dont tell me you havent always wanted to don some Mithral armour and venture into Moria....
the book of Mormon, the bible contains real people, real events and real places,
many of which are corroborated by secular history, archaeology, and scientific
principles, so you suck that up my friend instead of trying to perpetuate Agers
pretence and empty deception. These civilisations have never been confirmed nor
acknowledged either by historians nor by archaeology, unlike the Bible. The only
ludicrous thing about this episode is that you are willing to make the most outrageous
claims about a book that you have neither read, nor studied and cannot tell, in a
biblical context, your bum from your elbow, suck it up, you know its true.
02 Apr 11
Originally posted by robbie carrobiel have never read, nor studied your bible- says you, you sanctimonious tool.
mere unsubstantiated opinion masquerading as truth, for in contrast to the claims of
the book of Mormon, the bible contains real people, real events and real places,
many of which are corroborated by secular history, archaeology, and scientific
principles, so you suck that up my friend instead of trying to perpetuate Agers
pretence and empty ...[text shortened]... d cannot tell, in a
biblical context, your bum from your elbow, suck it up, you know its true.
You are an ignoramous.
l know your book very well, i have been trying to unlearn its hypocrisy for years.
You cannot see the forest for the trees.
02 Apr 11
Originally posted by nook7I was going to raise that point about internal consstency (something especially where literal interpretations of the Bible fall down). Well said.
what you fail to see Robbie (because you do not want to) is the beliefs of Mormonism are every bit as ludicrous (to many) as those held by you.
A secret tribe of Israelites in Nth America and a hidden arc of the covenant is just as likely as all the events in your bible being true.
On the other hand, there are no inherant contradictions l have seen betwe ...[text shortened]... mon dont tell me you havent always wanted to don some Mithral armour and venture into Moria....
02 Apr 11
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieOf course the important point here is that all the not real people (like *magic*
mere unsubstantiated opinion masquerading as truth, for in contrast to the claims of
the book of Mormon, the bible contains real people, real events and real places,
many of which are corroborated by secular history, archaeology, and scientific
principles, so you suck that up my friend instead of trying to perpetuate Agers
pretence and empty ...[text shortened]... d cannot tell, in a
biblical context, your bum from your elbow, suck it up, you know its true.
no Robbie, there really is a difference between the notion of a normal bloke called Jesus, and son of God, miracle performing Jesus
Jesus), all the not real places (like the Garden of Eden), all the not real events (like the 40 day flood) have not been corroborated.02 Apr 11
Originally posted by nook7rejecting the existance of God's (or spirits) is not the same as there being no God's, especially in the word you chose.. Japanese is a funny language that way.
l have never read, nor studied your bible- says you, you sanctimonious tool.
You are an ignoramous.
l know your book very well, i have been trying to unlearn its hypocrisy for years.
You cannot see the forest for the trees.
btw its kyohi
02 Apr 11
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Originally posted by nook7no you are reminiscent of those who are continually 'learning', and yet are never able
l have never read, nor studied your bible- says you, you sanctimonious tool.
You are an ignoramous.
l know your book very well, i have been trying to unlearn its hypocrisy for years.
You cannot see the forest for the trees.
to come to an accurate knowledge of anything, infact, you cannot even take criticism
without becoming defensive and abusive, that's how much you have learned. Point
proven.
02 Apr 11
Originally posted by Agergno principles, no real people, no real events, no real places, what kind of religion is
Well I'm not so sure the principles found within my belief system correlate in any way with the veracity of the sacred texts (and the same applies to any other religion, including yours). But anyhow, it teaches us to be grateful to folk who on first appearances are lacking in stature but are actually capable of great acts - and inspire us to work together in h ...[text shortened]... about the great evil of Sauron and are better equipped to fend him off should he rise up again!
that?
02 Apr 11
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieI gave you principles!!! 😵 Look again, I said:
no principles, no real people, no real events, no real places, what kind of religion is
that?
But anyhow, it teaches us to be grateful to folk who on first appearances are lacking in stature but are actually capable of great acts - and inspire us to work together in harmony. Indeed the dwarves entered into an alliance with the elves, who could have possibly imagined such a thing!?? Surely a useful lesson for us all! We also know about the great evil of Sauron and are better equipped to fend him off should he rise up again!
Also the people, places, and events *were* real! They've simply been magicked away. Far more real than your fairy dust Jesus character and magic garden.