18 Jun 18
Originally posted by @rajk999I believe that Paul and you are sexist.
She believes Paul was sent by God to preach.
Paul had the excuse that he was sexist only because nearly the entire world was sexist at that time. It's too bad he didn't tell us what Jesus thought about it, instead of what he thought.
You, on the other hand, have no excuse.
Originally posted by @suzianneSome parts of the Bible are wrongheaded and/or mistaken, then, and it's not all the inerrant 'word of God', is that right? Follow up question: Are Paul's words about women NOT divinely inspired?
I believe that Paul and you are sexist.
Paul had the excuse that he was sexist only because nearly the entire world was sexist at that time. It's too bad he didn't tell us what Jesus thought about it, instead of what he thought.
You, on the other hand, have no excuse.
18 Jun 18
FMF: You need to ask not me but those who view the Catholic Church as a "Satanic" cult.If you personally have never met them, talked to them, or heard or read their views, and so you are therefore unaware of the existence of this point of view. then so be it.
Originally posted by @suzianne
And exactly who are these people?
Apparently, you know of some. "Enlighten" us.
Originally posted by @fmfThe serious answer is that it involves a complex critique of sacraments.
Why do some Christians think Catholic Christians are not "saved"?
There is the belief that Catholics think themselves saved through sacraments, which is not completely untrue. There does exist some degree of legalism within Catholic and even occasionally Orthodox sacramentology.
However, the more recent Catholic canon talks about the efficacy of complete contrition and how, when there is complete contrition, the sin is wiped away. But, sacraments of confession and of communion assist in wiping these things away.
You will even hear very well versed fellahs like Fr. Chad Ripperger talking about how Catholics may need to concentrate on living in a state of grace in an era where sacraments are few and far between, which certainly sounds like a grandiose legalism.
In Orthodoxy, it is more like the sacraments are good for you and confessing your sins to a Priest is very good for you and a necessary thing to do before approaching the sacraments, but, more like Protestants, the forgiveness of sins is given by God alone and sacraments, while efficacious and beneficial and a source of Grace in the world, do not hold a strong bearing on anyone who legitimatley repents...
So like...
The Protestant has to absolutely advance saved by Faith alone. And anyone who does not believe in the sufficiency of Faith and the Grace that is given by God alone, and not through a Priest, does not actually believe in the true Gospel.
Do also note that there are other critiques of Catholicism that amount to it perverting other aspects of Christianity, but the above is really the biggest and clearest sticking point.
18 Jun 18
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Originally posted by @rajk999Yes, like you either have the Spirit of the Lord within you or not, and walking with Him.
So YOU are a good example of a man who allegedly walking out your life in Christ. Yet an atheist had to tell you what good works is all about because you went around saying that you did not know what it meant.
Anyway walk all you like. There is no eternal life unless some things happen as stated all over the Bible. Failure to do them means you are walking straight to damnation.
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18 Jun 18
Originally posted by @tom-wolseyIs this the time and place to have it out on the RCC? If so, you can be asked to support your assertions about what "Catholics believe.'
Catholics believe Mary lived a completely sinless life - Protestants disagree
Catholics believe Mary is part of the Godhead - Protestants disagree
Catholics believe Christ's work on the cross was insufficient and further efforts on our part are necessary for salvation - Protestants disagree
Catholics believe we should pray to Mary and the Saints - Pro ...[text shortened]... ork of Satan and the Roman Catholic Church is the "whore of Babylon" spoken about in Revelation.
18 Jun 18
Originally posted by @js357My post was worded badly. I meant it how you said it.
“To be saved according to them you have to profess faith alone. ”
I don’t know where you get your information but good works were essential for salvation in my Catholic boyhood indoctrination. A difference might be that we were taught it was achievable for all of us.
Originally posted by @suzianneSush
I believe that Paul and you are sexist.
Paul had the excuse that he was sexist only because nearly the entire world was sexist at that time. It's too bad he didn't tell us what Jesus thought about it, instead of what he thought.
You, on the other hand, have no excuse.
18 Jun 18
Originally posted by @tom-wolsey(1) Correct; Catholics do believe that Mary lived a sinless life and was even conceived without sin (the Immaculate Conception). Orthodox & Protestants disagree.
Catholics believe Mary lived a completely sinless life - Protestants disagree
Catholics believe Mary is part of the Godhead - Protestants disagree
Catholics believe Christ's work on the cross was insufficient and further efforts on our part are necessary for salvation - Protestants disagree
Catholics believe we should pray to Mary and the Saints - Pro ...[text shortened]... ork of Satan and the Roman Catholic Church is the "whore of Babylon" spoken about in Revelation.
(2) I do not think it has gone that far. I have heard it said that the relationship between Mary and Christ is so strong that supplications to the Theotokos (Mary) is "just as good" as supplications to Christ... But I think that this would not indicate, in the least, that one should necessarily pray to Mary in some conventional sense or use her to function in place of Christ.
(3) This is taking advantage of the wording -- Catholics believe that Christ's work on the cross was entirely sufficient, and merely that as Christians we have to make efforts in our life. A truly repentant person takes actions in his repentance and does not simply practice some "inward only" repentance and avoid going to Church or performing deeds.
This is not entirely accurate.
(4) This is also wrong -- Priests do not have the _power_ to forgive sin, only God has the power to forgive sin, and the Priest acts only "In persona Christi," which means, in the place of Christ in the presence of that person, as an instrument of Christ's work, and not as Christ Himself.
That is to say: they are standing in.
Just as how a Protestant Minister performs a Baptism or a wedding, a Catholic Priest performs confession... That is to say, just as how the Protestant Minister simply is an agent baptizing in the name of Christ, the Catholic Priest is merely just facilitating in the place of Christ.
One of the interesting aspects of this that you have to consider is the heresy of Donatism.[/b]
In Catholicism & Orthodoxy, we believe that [i]a wicked Priest can actually fully execute the sacraments because God can use anyone as a tool to fulfill their will, and this is actually a very important doctrine in the sense that it diminishes the role of the Priest.
So... In a very real sense... You have to be charitable to the Catholic view of this.
I understand you are exaggerating and being brief but like... you have to state these tings and look at them from a Catholic perspective. Even if you disagree with them, you should work hard to accurately describe their beliefs so that you can, at least, accurately attack it.
Originally posted by @js357Everything I listed is common knowledge. I suppose if I said the sky is blue, you would demand links, and from sources you approve of as well.
Is this the time and place to have it out on the RCC? If so, you can be asked to support your assertions about what "Catholics believe.'
18 Jun 18
Originally posted by @secondsonYour an aneathma: of course it matters what people think, you included .
Doesn't matter what anyone thinks.
1 John 4:15
Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
Confess-homologeĊ, to agree (with God), to say the same thing.
Originally posted by @kellyjayEverything matters to the Lord. He is compassionate after all
If they have God's Spirit within them, they belong to God, they are walking out their lives
with God within them doing the things that God leads them into. If they do not have the
Spirit of God within them they don't belong to the Lord, you have been shown several
times various scriptures on this point, those without the Lord, don't belong to Him no
matter what they say or do.