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Originally posted by @apathistTo make this link usable, take out the "&t=48s".
[youtube]h1ImMtHrrKo[/youtube]
5 mins, kinda packed solid. Not much froth.
Originally posted by @apathistOk, this video is self-serving in a way. No, hear me out.
[youtube]h1ImMtHrrKo&t=48s[/youtube]
5 mins, kinda packed solid. Not much froth.
Originally posted by @suzianneJust to be clear, part of what you are objecting to is people generalizing about others' beliefs, right?
But no, atheists are set enough in their own thinking that they cannot envision a religion without all the hype, and so they throw the baby out with the bathwater.
Originally posted by @suzianneAtheists are a very diverse bunch. What proportion of them do you believe think the stuff you are attributing to them? What proportion do you think lack a belief in a supernatural creator because of this "it's all one big package" thing that you're talking about?
...atheists also think it's all one big package to either accept it all, or reject it all, they assume it is ALL insignificant.
Originally posted by @apathistI’m not going to bother looking at your link; can you provide a précis?
[youtube]h1ImMtHrrKo&t=48s[/youtube]
5 mins, kinda packed solid. Not much froth.
Originally posted by @fmfStop nit-picking me.
Just to be clear, part of what you are objecting to is people generalizing about others' beliefs, right?
What proportion of atheists do you think are non-believers because "they cannot envision a religion without all the hype"?
Originally posted by @divegeesterYou should bother going to the link. There's too much in it to summarize succinctly.
I’m not going to bother looking at your link; can you provide a précis?
Originally posted by @fmfI'm going to cut you off right there and tell you I'm not going to respond to this. It's pointless and is just you trying to "shut down" ANYthing I say. So go pound sand.
Atheists are a very diverse bunch. What proportion of them do you believe think the stuff you are attributing to them? What proportion do you think lack a belief in a supernatural creator because of this "it's all one big package" thing that you're talking about?
Originally posted by @suzianneOn the contrary, I am engaging what you said. Are you trying to shut down/cut off what I am saying, by any chance? I think you are generalizing about atheists. I think you are projecting onto them what is most likely a secondary concern for most, and citing it as a primary or widespread reason for their lack of belief.
I'm going to cut you off right there and tell you I'm not going to respond to this. It's pointless and is just you trying to "shut down" ANYthing I say. So go pound sand.
Originally posted by @suzianneFor what proportion of atheists do you believe this "all the rest of it" thing you are talking about is the reason for not believing in supernatural causality? I'd have thought it was a minority. The video is essentially about politics and ideology, and not about spirituality and faith.
The point is that atheists should care simply because believing in God somehow leads one to believe in all the rest of it, and that is just wrong.
Originally posted by @suziannePeople - both believers and non-believers - may have strong objections to the excesses and alienations of organized religion, but I think belief in God or a lack of belief in God does not hinge on that for most non-believers because there are clearly alternatives to 'ugly religion' for those who are interested in - or persuaded by - Christian beliefs. I think you are entering a pretty clumsy idea into this conversation by generalizing about people who lack belief in this way.
people rail against "religion" not solely because of the belief in God, but because of all the rest of the "package" that is clearly bull
Originally posted by @suzianneWhy would you respond in kind if it's to the detriment of what you are saying?
She generalized a lot in the video, I respond in kind.