Originally posted by @romans1009I am asking about what adherents of the Christian religion are required to do according to their religious doctrines and beliefs.
If you’re talking about what’s necessary for salvation, it’s genuine and sincere belief in Jesus Christ and His Resurrection.
So it is your belief that Christians are not required to keep their god figure's commandments.
I cannot ever remember meeting a Christian who held this point of view. I've been smack bang in the middle of Christianity for over 50 years.
How long have you been one? Four years. Are you sure you've got this thing about not having to keep the Christian God's commandments right?
Originally posted by @fmfAre you speaking about what is necessary for salvation?
I am asking about what adherents of the Christian religion are required to do according to their religious doctrines and beliefs.
So it is your belief that Christians are not required to keep their god figure's commandments.
I cannot ever remember meeting a Christian who held this point of view. I've been smack bang in the middle of Christianity for ove ...[text shortened]... you sure you've got this thing about not having to keep the Christian God's commandments right?
Originally posted by @romans1009I am speaking about what adherents of the Christian religion are required to do.
Are you speaking about what is necessary for salvation?
Are they not even required to at least try to keep their god figure's commandments? Is there no requirement to at least do that?
You yourself have said that there is much more to Christianity than just "salvation".
I have never heard any other adherent to Christianity claim that keeping "God's" commandments was not necessary.
Originally posted by @romans1009I am talking about what is required of adherents of the Christian religion.
I think you will find the majority of Christians believe salvation is obtained by John 3:16 and Romans 10:9, which align with numerous other verses and passages in the Bible, including Jesus Christ’s words in the Gospels.
If you’re talking about something other than salvation, what is it?
Originally posted by @fmfWell now you are talking about more than salvation.
I am speaking about what adherents of the Christian religion are required to do.
Are they not even required to at least [b]try to keep their god figure's commandments? Is there no requirement to at least do that?
You yourself have said that there is much more to Christianity than just "salvation".
I have never heard any other adherent to Christianity claim that keeping "God's" commandments was not necessary.[/b]
Salvation is obtained through genuine and sincere belief in Jesus Christ and His Resurrection. The indwelling of God’s Holy Spirit follows and it’s through the power of God’s Holy Spirit - not human effort - that a believer’s heart and behavior are changed.
The problem atheists have is they can’t conceive of God’s Holy Spirit indwelling someone and changing him or her.
Originally posted by @romans1009I can conceive of people like you making such superstitious claims about themselves and then claiming that they are consequently not required to follow their god figure's commandments.
The problem atheists have is they can’t conceive of God’s Holy Spirit indwelling someone and changing him or her.
Originally posted by @romans1009You yourself have asserted numerous times that there is much more to Christianity than just "salvation". Now is your chance to illustrate what you mean by this. What is required - by your God and by Jesus - from adherents of Christianity like you?
Well now you are talking about more than salvation.
Originally posted by @romans1009Are Christians not even required to at least try to keep their god figure's commandments? Is there no requirement to at least do that? To try?
Salvation is obtained through genuine and sincere belief in Jesus Christ and His Resurrection. The indwelling of God’s Holy Spirit follows and it’s through the power of God’s Holy Spirit - not human effort - that a believer’s heart and behavior are changed.
Originally posted by @fmfYou seem to want to reduce Christianity to a list of do’s and don’ts. It’s much more personalized and unique than that because it’s about a relationship with Christ and being led by God’s Holy Spirit.
I am talking about what is required of adherents of the Christian religion.
You’ve probably heard that everyone’s faith journey or walk with Christ is unique and it is. Just as the relationship you have with one person isn’t the same as the relationship you have with another reason, so Jesus Christ’s relationship with one person is not the same as His relationship with another person.
He meets you where you are, and just as everyone’s life and circumstances are unique, so is how they and Christ navigate them.
Originally posted by @fmfTry by human effort? Guaranteed failure.
Are Christians not even required [b]to at least try to keep their god figure's commandments? Is there no requirement to at least do that? To try?[/b]
Try by strengthening the influence of God’s Holy Spirit through regular and frequent reading of the Bible and prayer? Guaranteed success.
Originally posted by @romans1009As a Christian, aren't you required to follow Jesus' (and God's) commandments?
You seem to want to reduce Christianity to a list of do’s and don’ts. It’s much more personalized and unique than that because it’s about a relationship with Christ and being led by God’s Holy Spirit.
You’ve probably heard that everyone’s faith journey or walk with Christ is unique and it is. Just as the relationship you have with one person isn’t the ...[text shortened]... d just as everyone’s life and circumstances are unique, so is how they and Christ navigate them.
Originally posted by @romans1009So are adherents to the Christian religion required to engage in "regular and frequent reading of the Bible and prayer"?
Try by human effort? Guaranteed failure.
Try by strengthening the influence of God’s Holy Spirit through regular and frequent reading of the Bible and prayer? Guaranteed success.