11 Nov 10
Originally posted by KellyJaySounds good, thnx.
The basic thrust of the book are how/why people were martyrs, in the book I'd have to almost have to go back and read it again it speaks of how people
were put to death due to having copies of scripture. This was even done
by the Churches of day who thought they should be the only ones who had
the power or ability to teach and read the text. Until the Bi ...[text shortened]... off the text is flawed without
giving specific examples where it was done and by whom.
Kelly
12 Nov 10
Originally posted by karoly aczelDon't worry about offending me on topics we disagree on, as long as we can stay
First of all, I myself dont ask for any intermediaries help anymore. I learn about the universe for myself.
However I have met many devotee-style people who seem very convinced that they are worshipping the correct guru. (chrsitians as well)
If I had to take a pick I would say the devotees of Osho were the closest to the mark.
Now because it may offe ...[text shortened]... e seems like it is going to change my mind about the central christian dogma.
So we disagree.
off getting personal in our discussions you may take anywhere you want.
I don't believe God and the universe are the samething, you can learn all that
man can about the universe and miss God.
Kelly
13 Nov 10
Originally posted by KellyJayTo me God is the whole universe and any other possible multiverses.
Don't worry about offending me on topics we disagree on, as long as we can stay
off getting personal in our discussions you may take anywhere you want.
I don't believe God and the universe are the samething, you can learn all that
man can about the universe and miss God.
Kelly
The christian god seems limited and , by definition, God should not be limited.
In this sense I also believe that god is the devil.
(note: I am using the christian interpretation of "devil"😉.
When you say you can "learn all that man can about the unverse and miss God." , I believe you are refferring to the surface ,3-d, view of the world/universe. When we delve below the surface workings of the universe we find a deeper "will" at work that has purpose and "meaning" for those with the eyes to see.
This Spirit that permeates through all things does not have a name and is not measurable. It does not seem to contradict any scientific theories such as Big Bang Theory.
Do you agree with BBT? , specifically do you agree with the estmated age of our known universe as measured by scientists, or do you think that the Earth is 6000 yrs old, or whatever?
(please excuse me if I have asked before, I just want to get straight who I'm talking to. Cheers🙂 )
13 Nov 10
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Originally posted by karoly aczelNot that I'm defending any of the Christian Gods
To me God is the whole universe and any other possible multiverses.
The christian god seems limited and , by definition, God should not be limited.
In this sense I also believe that god is the devil.
(note: I am using the christian interpretation of "devil"😉.
When you say you can "learn all that man can about the unverse and miss God." , I belie me if I have asked before, I just want to get straight who I'm talking to. Cheers🙂 )
(depending upon how the Bible is interpreted from one theist to the next)
, but what definition of "God" (in general) are you using to conclude it shouldn't be limited?
i.e. why can't some god be limited???
13 Nov 10
Originally posted by karoly aczelI don't think I understand your points, mainly because what you are saying does
To me God is the whole universe and any other possible multiverses.
The christian god seems limited and , by definition, God should not be limited.
In this sense I also believe that god is the devil.
(note: I am using the christian interpretation of "devil"😉.
When you say you can "learn all that man can about the unverse and miss God." , I belie ...[text shortened]... me if I have asked before, I just want to get straight who I'm talking to. Cheers🙂 )
not seem to add up in my opinion. Odds are I am just missing something here, if
you don't mind I'll spell out why you are leaving me a little confused as to what you
claim is true.
1. I take it that you believe in god, because for you god is everything, and
everything is god. So your god is all around you and me at all times. As you view
this god of yours you see it as limitless, because of not only the universe around
us now, but all possible other multiverses too.
2. You view the God Christians profess to believe in as limited.
3. You view the devil is also god according to the Christian interpretation of the
devil.
Before I start addressing these points, do I understand your point of view?
Kelly
13 Nov 10
Originally posted by AgergIn general I use the word "God" to mean universe, all that is. Any specific entity(within that), with whatever "powers",etc. I will deem to be a 'demi-god' .
Not that I'm defending any of the Christian Gods [hidden](depending upon how the Bible is interpreted from one theist to the next)[/hidden], but what definition of "God" (in general) are you using to conclude it shouldn't be limited?
i.e. why can't some god be limited???
Basically everything is growing/expanding hence God is not limited.
note: I could work out the same thesis without using a "god" ingredient. It would sound a bit different , though. And i think bhudda/the bhuddists have already formulated many such theories.
Because the universe is a paraodox, there is no problem getting to "God" (different use of the word) by either affirming or denying, since its all the same thing
13 Nov 10
Originally posted by KellyJayget back to ya. I'm in a rush now. 24hrs. cheers
I don't think I understand your points, mainly because what you are saying does
not seem to add up in my opinion. Odds are I am just missing something here, if
you don't mind I'll spell out why you are leaving me a little confused as to what you
claim is true.
1. I take it that you believe in god, because for you god is everything, and
everything is ...[text shortened]...
devil.
Before I start addressing these points, do I understand your point of view?
Kelly
14 Nov 10
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Originally posted by KellyJay1.Yes
I don't think I understand your points, mainly because what you are saying does
not seem to add up in my opinion. Odds are I am just missing something here, if
you don't mind I'll spell out why you are leaving me a little confused as to what you
claim is true.
1. I take it that you believe in god, because for you god is everything, and
everything is ...[text shortened]...
devil.
Before I start addressing these points, do I understand your point of view?
Kelly
2. Some christians espouse limited versions of their God. I dont see how christians could agree on who God is/what He looks like .
3.What christians term "the devil" ,or whatever negative, is just another aspect of God,yes.
btw I am interested in your analysis,cheers🙂
14 Nov 10
Originally posted by karoly aczel3. The simplier of the three. With respect to Christianity and the devil, I'm not
1.Yes
2. Some christians espouse limited versions of their God. I dont see how christians could agree on who God is/what He looks like .
3.What christians term "the devil" ,or whatever negative, is just another aspect of God,yes.
btw I am interested in your analysis,cheers🙂
sure where you got your information from, but Satan is quite a different being
than God is. He is a created being, while God is not, he is part of the creation
while God created all things He is not part of it. I understand this too is off
from what your suggesting as true, but in Christianity it isn't a equal battle
of good verses evil, evil is but a small bump in the road that will be dealt with
in short order and done away with forever.
Kelly
14 Nov 10
Originally posted by KellyJayThere is no way that you can tell me that evil is not part of the whole universe.
3. The simplier of the three. With respect to Christianity and the devil, I'm not
sure where you got your information from, but Satan is quite a different being
than God is. He is a created being, while God is not, he is part of the creation
while God created all things He is not part of it. I understand this too is off
from what your suggesting as true ...[text shortened]... ll bump in the road that will be dealt with
in short order and done away with forever.
Kelly
You can separate stuff into piles of what is good and what isn't, but at the end of the day you learn spiritual things from a book, I dont, so we're always going to be out of sync with what eachother means exactly.
15 Nov 10
Originally posted by vishvahetuYou believe in the false teachings of Richard L Thompson so why complain?
Look, Ive explained before, how christianity and islam are just fabrications by dishonest or misguided persons with their personal agendas to fill, (mostly power and control over the stupid masses)
People billion of years ago - Jeez...
