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@josephw said
Pardon me, but I don't really read a lot of the posts you reply to except to scan quickly.
Well, don't expect me to take you seriously then.

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@sonship said
Can subjectivity involve what is absolutely true - whether the supernatural is or is not involved?
Why have you suddenly dropped the word morality and chamged the subject to just "the supernatural"?

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@kellyjay said
You are either going to accept everything as permissible or reject somethings.
Of course I "reject some things". You ought to read the content of my posts. The fact I reject some things does not create objective absolutes.

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@sonship said
Can subjectivity involve what is absolutely true - whether the supernatural is or is not involved?
My answer is the same as it was a few hours ago: if we're talking about stuff like perspectives on morality and supernaturalism, I don't believe so, no.

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@fmf said
Well, don't expect me to take you seriously then.
But I read your posts.

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@fmf said
As I said to sonship, if we're talking about stuff like perspectives on morality and supernaturalism, I am not aware of any, no.
But that's not what I asked you.

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@fmf said
In what context?
Pick one.

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@josephw said
Pick one.
You pick one. The context I am talking about is clear.

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@josephw said
But that's not what I asked you.
It is, nevertheless, the answer to the question that you typed.

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Rather than the little minimalist, piecemeal, few, evasive words of FMF, anyone interested in more substantive debates on the morality, I recommend a few discussions: (on second rthought one of my favorites at the moment)

And they are IMO even handed with very good points raised on both sides.

Is God Necessary for Morality? William Lane Craig vs Shelly Kagan Debate

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This one I have watched almost every two or three years.
Its one of my favorites.

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@sonship said
Rather than the little minimalist, piecemeal, few, evasive words of FMF, anyone interested in more substantive debates on the morality, I recommend a few discussions
I am not being "evasive" and you’re not being particularly "substantive"in reply to what I'm putting to you.

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@sonship said
Is God Necessary for Morality?
The answer is clearly no.

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@sonship said
Is God Necessary for Morality? William Lane Craig vs Shelly Kagan Debate

www.youtube.com
This one I have watched almost every two or three years.
It's odd that watching the same video on morality over and over again hasn't enabled you to discuss morality on your own bat without you having to simply resort to posting a link to the video.

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@sonship said
Rather than the little minimalist, piecemeal, few, evasive words of FMF, anyone interested in more substantive debates on the morality, I recommend a few discussions: (on second rthought one of my favorites at the moment)

And they are IMO even handed with very good points raised on both sides.

[b]Is God Necessary for Morality? William Lane Craig vs Shelly Ka ...[text shortened]...

This one I have watched almost every two or three years.
Its one of my favorites.
The question is a daft one. Of course God isn't necessary for morality. (As evidenced by the billions of nonbelievers in the world).

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@sonship said
Rather than the little minimalist, piecemeal, few, evasive words of FMF, anyone interested in more substantive debates on the morality, I recommend a few discussions: (on second rthought one of my favorites at the moment)

And they are IMO even handed with very good points raised on both sides.

[b]Is God Necessary for Morality? William Lane Craig vs Shelly Ka ...[text shortened]...

This one I have watched almost every two or three years.
Its one of my favorites.
Here’s your problem (and all the other hellers) as I see it:

Your logic:
1) The Bible is the inerrant word of god. It is complete, it is all literal and everything described is real.
2) God is the only source of morality and what he says goes not matter what it is.
3) therefore torturing people for eternity for being unbelievers is totally justified, completely moral and fully defensible.

This sums up the entire issue I have with the mainstream Christian interpretation of the Bible and the horror show contained in mostly Revelation.