Originally posted by divegeesterThe Bible says that hell was created for Satan and his minions.
You believe that there is a created place called hell which God maintains in readiness for those who reject him. In this place these lost people will be tormented and burned for eternity. Correct?
I reject this horrendous notion as being worse than any and all of the collective crimes of all mankind since the dawn of time.
Clear?
It does not say what people will be there with them, does it?
Originally posted by divegeesterI believe that any hope of salvation comes through Jesus.
Some say it does. What do YOU say?
This includes people who have never heard of Jesus. For example, no Christian doubts that men like Abraham or Moses made it into heaven, but how could they? They did not know about Jesus.
I don't think that these men made it into heaven because of their "good works" alone. I think ultimately it took Jesus to save them as well.
So this brings us to people who have never heard of Jesus, just like men like Abraham. And as you bring up, it leads us to men who reject Jesus as well.
Scripture does not really specifically say that certain people will make it into heaven and others will not, does it? All it says is that Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. It also says that he did not come into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through might be saved and only through him can they be saved
Notice the word "might be" saved. I don't think all are, that is entirely up to God himself.
2 Timothy 3:16-17English Standard Version (ESV)
16 (A)All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that (B)the man of God[a] may be complete, (C)equipped (D)for every good work.
Footnotes:
2 Timothy 3:17 That is, a messenger of God (the phrase echoes a common Old Testament expression)
Cross references:
2 Timothy 3:16 : Rom. 15:4; 2 Pet. 1:20, 21
2 Timothy 3:17 : See 1 Tim. 6:11
2 Timothy 3:17 : [Luke 6:40]
2 Timothy 3:17 : See ch. 2:21
Originally posted by whodeyWhat are you on about now? Have you got attention deficit disorder or something?
I believe that any hope of salvation comes through Jesus.
This includes people who have never heard of Jesus. For example, no Christian doubts that men like Abraham or Moses made it into heaven, but how could they? They did not know about Jesus.
I don't think that these men made it into heaven because of their "good works" alone. I think ultimately i ...[text shortened]...
Notice the word "might be" saved. I don't think all are, that is entirely up to God himself.
Originally posted by divegeesterWhy am I being bumped again?
Bump for Whodey
The Bible says with 100% certainty that hell was made for Satan and his minions.
As for anyone else put there, it is unknown as to whom or why.
The Bible also says that the only possible escape is through Jesus.
The rest you can piece together for yourself. At the end of the day though, I think we are all going to be surprised. I can say that with 100% certainty
The debate about the existence of hell, or the lack thereof, is simply a continuation of the old question, if there is a loving God, why does suffering exist.
Well guess what kids, suffering does exist. I know this is a shock to most, but now we must make sense of why and how?
Those that cannot fathom God allowing suffering and refuse to accept him because of it will reject him. It's just that simple.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieNo, it doesn't. It usually implies that the killing was deliberate and illegal. It says nothing whatsoever about the innocence of the victim. If you met Hitler on the street, knew who he was, and killed him, that would be murder.
Murder implies that the condemned are innocent.
If a government executes someone for political reasons, or due to some failure of the justice system executes an innocent person, or if a soldier gets killed in war, those are typically not called murder (although one may choose to label them so).