16 Feb 20
@secondson saidThere is more to salvation and eternal life as Paul stated clearly to the born again Christian Saints. Saved Christians must continue with good works and righteousness otherwise they will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Your church teachings is a sham.
That's the gospel truth kelly. It's exactly what the scriptures teach.
The Bible also teaches that those who reject God's salvation suffer His eternal wrath of everlasting punishment in outer darkness, in the lake of fire, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Just as Jesus said.
@hakima saidYet another Bible verse miss quoted and misunderstood!
ἐγὼ δὲ λέγω ὑμῖν ὅτι πᾶς ὁ ὀργιζόμενος τῷ ἀδελφῷ αὐτοῦ ἔνοχος ἔσται τῇ κρίσει· ὃς δ’ ἂν εἴπῃ τῷ ἀδελφῷ αὐτοῦ Ῥακά, ἔνοχος ἔσται τῷ συνεδρίῳ· ὃς δ’ ἂν εἴπῃ Μωρέ, ἔνοχος ἔσται εἰς τὴν γέενναν τοῦ πυρός.
Matthew 5:22
That word “Μωρέ” comes from the Greek “moros” meaning “moron”. Accordingly, Jesus says that anyone who says it is in danger of the fire of hell.
Is that the same fire in which people are burned alive and eternally? I’m curious.
@secondson saidThe ideology that Kellyjay propagates is misanthropic, impotent and narcissistic ~ and morally incoherent to boot.
So you don't categorize the labeling of a Christian as "misanthropic, impotent and narcissistic" as a denunciation?
Whether he himself is, in everyday life, misanthropic, impotent and narcissistic, I have no idea. He seems like a dreary, humourless, prideful and very often an unprincipled person with a peephole take on the world. But that's his online persona.
By contrast, I have met some uncountable number of Christians who are not misanthropic, impotent and narcissistic at all.
I have never denunciated Christianity or Christians as a group. And I have never denunciated anyone here BECAUSE they are a Christian.
This does not mean one cannot call a spade a spade.
@rajk999 saidWho says anyone should not be doing good works?
There is more to salvation and eternal life as Paul stated clearly to the born again Christian Saints. Saved Christians must continue with good works and righteousness otherwise they will not inherit the Kingdom of God. Your church teachings is a sham.
How does this good works, work according to you, do your good deeds have to outweigh your bad?
What church teaching are you talking about, you know what church he goes to so you can point to a doctrine or are you just spouting off without a clue?
@kellyjay saidYou have never accepted that doing good works is required. You have tied yourself in knots time and time again in your efforts to state that they are not required and not obligatory and that, because they would never be good enough, one can be "saved" without doing them. And yet, surely, you don't have genuine Christian faith if you are not doing good works, right? A Christian MUST walk the walk, right? Not just think-the-think and believe-the-belief, have I got it right?
Who says anyone should not be doing good works?
@secondson saidThis is proof that Christians are the most evil people on earth.
You're off topic. As usual.
"God fails"? Those two words never go together moron.
People who reject "God's salvation" suffer "God's wrath".
There's no debate. It's what the Bible teaches. And what you reject.
@vartiovuori saidWhy is that, because we say God is good and we are not? That the only reason we can be saved is because God loves us, and has made a way of redemption that does not depend on us! Our salvation depends upon the one thing that does not change, God's love for us even though we are sinners? How does that make Christians the most evil?
This is proof that Christians are the most evil people on earth.
17 Feb 20
@kellyjay saidWhy should anybody have to suffer God's wrath? Indeed, why does a omniscient deity feel wrath at all, especially towards something so insignificant as us?
Why is that, because we say God is good and we are not? That the only reason we can be saved is because God loves us, and has made a way of redemption that does not depend on us! Our salvation depends upon the one thing that does not change, God's love for us even though we are sinners? How does that make Christians the most evil?
If an ant doesn't behave the way I want it to behave, should I squish it, and do it in such a way that its suffering lasts forever?
17 Feb 20
@kellyjay saidYou sound like Winston Smith at the Chestnut Tree Café, sitting by a chessboard and drinking gin.
Why is that, because we say God is good and we are not? That the only reason we can be saved is because God loves us, and has made a way of redemption that does not depend on us! Our salvation depends upon the one thing that does not change, God's love for us even though we are sinners?