Peter vs Judas

@caissad4 said
Yes indeed. No sense at all.
But don't you enjoy seeing Christians demonize someone who was an integral cog in their whole belief system ? Take out the Judas story and what have you got ?

Right. Imagine if God forgave Judas, because what Judas did, although evil, was necessary for God's plan to work? That would be an act of magnanimity on a, dare I say - a Godly scale.

@rajk999 said
You are laughing because the Watchtower did not tell you about that passage in John.

Those who do evil will be resurrected. Those are the words of Christ. The blind and ignorant is you.

You should be crying because you know nothing of the Bible.

The apostle Paul was formerly a blasphemer but said: “I was shown mercy, because I was ignorant.” (1 Timothy 1:13) To sin against the holy spirit is to oppose it willfully. It involves a wicked heart condition that reaches the point of no return.

Paul was evidently referring to this kind of sin when he wrote: “It is impossible as regards those who have once for all been enlightened, and who have tasted the heavenly free gift, and who have become partakers of holy spirit, and who have tasted the fine word of God and powers of the coming system of things, but who have fallen away, to revive them again to repentance.” (Hebrews 6:4-6) The apostle also said: “If we practice sin willfully after having received the accurate knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice for sins left.”​—Hebrews 10:26.

It was the conduct of some religious leaders in his day that prompted Jesus to warn against the unforgivable sin. But they did not heed his warning. In fact, they had him killed. Later they heard undeniable evidence that the holy spirit had done something miraculous. They were told that Jesus had been brought back from the dead! It was clear that Jesus was the Christ! Still, they acted wickedly against the holy spirit by paying the Roman soldiers to lie about Jesus’ resurrection.​—Matthew 28:11-15.

I truly understand this is way beyond your ability to understand, but what the heck.

@galveston75 said
You should be crying because you know nothing of the Bible.

The apostle Paul was formerly a blasphemer but said: “I was shown mercy, because I was ignorant.” (1 Timothy 1:13) To sin against the holy spirit is to oppose it willfully. It involves a wicked heart condition that reaches the point of no return.

Paul was evidently referring to this kind of sin when he wro ...[text shortened]... w 28:11-15.

I truly understand this is way beyond your ability to understand, but what the heck.

Are you right in your head? What the hell does that have to do with what Jesus says about the evildoers being resurrected to be punished? WHATT ???

YOU said that Judas will not be resurrected.

@rajk999 said
Are you right in your head? What the hell does that have to do with what Jesus says about the evildoers being resurrected to be punished? WHATT ???

YOU said that Judas will not be resurrected.

So lost......

@bigdoggproblem said
Right. Imagine if God forgave Judas, because what Judas did, although evil, was necessary for God's plan to work? That would be an act of magnanimity on a, dare I say - a Godly scale.

Judas didn't ask to be forgiven, he took his guilt to the grave. Peter betrayed Jesus too by denial, but he turned to God and asked to be forgiven.

@kellyjay said
Judas didn't ask to be forgiven, he took his guilt to the grave. Peter betrayed Jesus too by denial, but he turned to God and asked to be forgiven.

You can forgive someone whether they ask for it, or not.

@bigdoggproblem said
You can forgive someone whether they ask for it, or not.

Of course. God can even change people without their asking.

@galveston75 said
So lost......

Watchtower removed your brain.

@bigdoggproblem said
You can forgive someone whether they ask for it, or not.

We are required to forgive everyone who has done us wrong if they ask for it or not, the reason for that is we are have been forgiven for all of our sins because of another, Jesus Christ. Salvation, the forgiveness of sins God has given to us all the right to be children of God, but not all of us want it, because not all want God. Christ is our salvation, the forgiveness of God is God, we don't get His forgiveness without God.

@rajk999 said
Watchtower removed your brain.

It was an outpatient procedure.

@kellyjay said
Judas didn't ask to be forgiven, he took his guilt to the grave. Peter betrayed Jesus too by denial, but he turned to God and asked to be forgiven.

Check......

@bigdoggproblem said
Right. Imagine if God forgave Judas, because what Judas did, although evil, was necessary for God's plan to work? That would be an act of magnanimity on a, dare I say - a Godly scale.

'Forgiving Judas' would have been a very striking story point if they'd gone for that. However, I think the story point of inserting the Judas character into the narrative, and the depiction of the Jews in the Gospel of John especially, has more to do with demonizing the Jews in the eyes of the adherents of the fledgling Christianity. And boy did the Jews pay for that dearly over the subsequent centuries.

@fmf said
'Forgiving Judas' would have been a very striking story point if they'd gone for that. However, I think the story point of inserting the Judas character into the narrative, and the depiction of the Jews in the Gospel of John especially, has more to do with demonizing the Jews in the eyes of the adherents of the fledgling Christianity. And boy did the Jews pay for that dearly over the subsequent centuries.

With David's story you hear of people saying .. well David was a murderer and an adulteret .. " using that line to justify their sins. You can imagine what the would have said if they think that Judas Iscariot was forgiven.

@rajk999 said
You can imagine what the would have said if they think that Judas Iscariot was forgiven.

I wonder why Luke 23:34 where Jesus supposedly said, “Father, forgive them, for they don't know what they are doing” has not been interpreted as applying to Judas too. Did Judas know the implications of what he was doing?

@fmf said
I wonder why Luke 23:34 where Jesus supposedly said, “Father, forgive them, for they don't know what they are doing” has not been interpreted as applying to Judas too. Did Judas know the implications of what he was doing?

Judas knew who was being crucified. The others did not know that Jesus was the Son of God. The consequences of his actions .. Im sure he knew

And as they did eat, he said, Verily I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me. And they were exceeding sorrowful, and began every one of them to say unto him, Lord, is it I? And he answered and said, He that dippeth his hand with me in the dish, the same shall betray me. The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! it had been good for that man if he had not been born. (Matthew 26:21-24 KJV)

If Jesus says woe unto you. I think your goose is cooked, hence the suicide