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Peter vs Judas

Peter vs Judas

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Peter and Judas are two of the Lord Jesus' disciples who stand out at the time of the Lord Jesus' crucifixion (Mark 14). Both are one of the twelve disciples chosen by Jesus. Both sin against our Lord. Peter denies Jesus. Judas betrays Jesus. Peter obtains mercy and ends up dying for our Lord. Judas on the other hand does not obtain mercy and ends up committing suicide. What are the differences between these two disciples that their ends are so different?

Firstly, we read in the Bible of Peter’s conversion during one of his first encounters with Jesus. We read about this in Luke chapter 5. Peter and his fellow fishermen have been fishing all night and yet have caught nothing. The Lord Jesus, however, tells them to put out into the deep and to let down their nets. As they obey the Lord, they catch a large multitude of fish. At this Peter falls down at Jesus’ knees and says “Depart from me, for I am a sinful man”. Then we then read how Jesus tells Him not to be afraid as he will be catching men from now on.

In summary the following happens to Peter:

· He comes under conviction of sin.
· He does not hide his sin but confesses it. (There is no hypocrisy in Peter, he is totally honest about himself).
· He cries out to Jesus because of His sin.
· Jesus promises to do the work of regeneration in his life and to make him into a fisher of men.
We never read about any conversion experience in Judas’ life. We just read that Judas is chosen by the Lord to be one of his twelve the disciples and from then on, he is one of them.

Contrary to Peter we read the following about Judas (John 12):

· Judas loves money, not Jesus.
· He is a thief.
· Judas hides his sin.
· He is not honest. While pretending to care about the poor, he is thinking about his own pocket.
· Never do we read that he asks the Lord for mercy or to save him from his sin.
· He is such a good hypocrite that not one of the disciples suspect him of being the one who will betray Jesus.
If we read the account in Mark 14 where Judas betrays Jesus and where Peter denies Jesus, we find the following:
Judas has planned before hand to deny Jesus. He possibly has meditated about it for a long time and now arranges with the chief priests before hand to pay him money for betraying Jesus. Judas perseveres with His sin of loving money even if it would cost betraying Jesus. He does so even though the Lord Jesus loves him and has shown his love to him in many ways.

Peter dearly loves the Lord and boldly states, from the bottom of his heart, that He will never forsake or deny Jesus. Peter tries to fight for the Lord, with his sword, but is reprimanded by the Lord for doing so. Then, in a time of weakness, He denies the Lord three times. Yet we find immediately after He denies the Lord for the third time that the rooster crows for the second time. In another gospel we read that Jesus also turns and looks at Him. Immediately Peter breaks down and weeps. He has severe remorse for his sin.

In Judas we find someone who perseveres in His sin, hides his sin and purposefully hardens His heart against God’s holy Spirit. Eventually we find Satan entering Judas and He ends up committing suicide.

In Peter we find someone who has the deep desire to please God. Tries in his own strength to do so but fails. He has deep remorse about his sin.

Praise God, Peter’s story does not end there. We find Jesus reaching out to this Peter, who failed so miserably and who is now broken hearted.

The Lord Jesus shows that He cares about Peter and has not discarded Him. We see this when the angel tells the woman in Mark 16:7 to go and tell the disciples and Peter that the Lord is going before them to Galilee. He specifically mentions Peter, so that Peter can see that the Lord still counts him in as one of the disciples.

Then in John 21 we find Jesus restoring Peter. He asks Peter thrice if he loves Him (Once for each time that Peter denied the Lord). The first two times he asks Peter, Peter do you love me (with a Godly love in the Greek). Peter each time answers, “Yes Lord, you know that I love you (with a human love in the Greek). Peter does not have the courage to say that he loves Jesus with a Godly love. He has seen how his own love has failed. So typical of human love. The third time Jesus asks Peter, “Peter, do you love me with a human love?”. At this Peter is grieved because he asked him, “Do you love me with a human love”, and he replies, “Lord, you know all things, you know that I love you with a human love”. Each time after Peter says that he loves the Lord, the Lord tells Peter to look after his sheep or lambs. After having asked Peter three times if he loves him, the Lord tells Peter about the type of death that he is going to glorify God with. In other words, He is telling Peter, “Peter, I will impart to you my Godly love. The love that that will enable you to die for me.”

Later, in Acts we read how Peter is filled with the Holy Spirit and how he now boldly proclaims the Gospel. He is no longer afraid. He now had the power of the Holy Spirit in his life that enables him even to be a martyr for the Lord.

Tradition tell us that Peter was eventually crucified. He however asked to be crucified upside down, as he did not consider himself worthy to die the same way that His Lord died.

In the story of Judas, I see the danger of living a hypocritical, sinful life and of hardening one’s heart against God’s Holy Spirit.

Or do you presume on the riches of his kindness and forbearance and patience, not knowing that God's kindness is meant to lead you to repentance? But because of your hard and impenitent heart you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath when God's righteous judgment will be revealed. He will render to each one according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury. Romans 2:4-8

In the story of Peter, I see how God’s grace works in the life of person who is repentant, honest and has the deep desire to please God. I see how God’s grace is enough even in times of weakness and failure. I see how God brings us to the end of ourselves and makes us realise that we cannot live the Christian life in our own strength. He then fills us with His Spirit and teaches us to walk in the Spirit and no longer in the flesh. Eventually He glorifies His name through our lives. Because we have seen that we are nothing out of ourselves, we give all the glory to God.

For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:8-10



@dj2becker said
Peter and Judas are two of the Lord Jesus' disciples who stand out at the time of the Lord Jesus' crucifixion (Mark 14). Both are one of the twelve disciples chosen by Jesus. Both sin against our Lord. Peter denies Jesus. Judas betrays Jesus. Peter obtains mercy and ends up dying for our Lord. Judas on the other hand does not obtain mercy and ends up committing suicide. Wha ...[text shortened]... t Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:8-10
A very nice church sermon. However the gospels state that the 12 disciples were chosen and predestined for a specific purpose. Judas was chosen for his main job ie to betray Christ and he was referred to as the son of perdition. Hence his evil ways. Peter was chosen to build the church after Christ left.

Church-goers love to hear that works are not required and to their simple minds you have proven that to them. But your example proves the opposite. That sin is punished by damnation, and that even for the saved, there is no eternal life in the Kingdom of God unless they live righteously.


@rajk999 said
A very nice church sermon. However the gospels state that the 12 disciples were chosen and predestined for a specific purpose. Judas was chosen for his main job ie to betray Christ and he was referred to as the son of perdition. Hence his evil ways. Peter was chosen to build the church after Christ left.

Church-goers love to hear that works are not required and to their s ...[text shortened]... hat even for the saved, there is no eternal life in the Kingdom of God unless they live righteously.
Are you saying Judas had no choice and he was predestined to be lost?


@dj2becker said
Are you saying Judas had no choice and he was predestined to be lost?
Yes. The son of perdition is Satan or the son of Satan or a child of the Devil.

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Assuming there was a choice, what a cruel and significant choice was given to Judas.

Or did he even have a choice? Was he a puppet in the hands of a God with a predetermined story in mind? Or could he have rejected that path, which would have altered all future developments?

Even if Jesus had laid aside his godly powers to live as some fully human Jewish guy on Earth despite also being the God of the Cosmos incarnate, should we wonder if said God of the Cosmos might have tipped some balances so that Judas would tend toward betrayal, so that the crucifixion and resurrection would play out as planned?

If so, would there have been sufficient apologies offered to Judas on the other side?


@rajk999 said
Yes. The son of perdition is Satan or the son of Satan or a child of the Devil.
Sounds fair to you?

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@rajk999 said
A very nice church sermon. However the gospels state that the 12 disciples were chosen and predestined for a specific purpose. Judas was chosen for his main job ie to betray Christ and he was referred to as the son of perdition. Hence his evil ways. Peter was chosen to build the church after Christ left.

Church-goers love to hear that works are not required and to their s ...[text shortened]... hat even for the saved, there is no eternal life in the Kingdom of God unless they live righteously.
I'll take the righteousness of God over what we can attempt to earn by ourselves for God's glory not our own. We need God to live righteous lives, not human effort which is simply our self-righteousness by which we can lay claim to, then brag about putting our efforts above another. Instead we need that which comes from God to do the will of God.

Romans 3:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

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@dj2becker said
Sounds fair to you?
If one were to make a list of bible stories of what God did that appears unfair to the eyes of man, that is going to be a pretty long list. The expression son of perdition appears twice in the bible

Joh_17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
2Th_2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;


Judas might very well be Satan himself. Who knows. Anyway not everyone that professes faith and profess to walk with Christ will enter the Kingdom of God. There are many children of the devil in the churches.


@rajk999 said
If one were to make a list of bible stories of what God did that appears unfair to the eyes of man, that is going to be a pretty long list. The expression son of perdition appears twice in the bible

[i]Joh_17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the s ...[text shortened]... alk with Christ will enter the Kingdom of God. There are many children of the devil in the churches.
Do you believe there are any children of the devil outside the churches?

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@rajk999 said
Yes. The son of perdition is Satan or the son of Satan or a child of the Devil.
The 'son of perdition' is the Antichrist, the Beast of Revelation.

Judas had free will, as do all humans. If he was not to be the betrayer, there would have been another.

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@rajk999 said
A very nice church sermon. However the gospels state that the 12 disciples were chosen and predestined for a specific purpose. Judas was chosen for his main job ie to betray Christ and he was referred to as the son of perdition. Hence his evil ways. Peter was chosen to build the church after Christ left.

Church-goers love to hear that works are not required and to their s ...[text shortened]... hat even for the saved, there is no eternal life in the Kingdom of God unless they live righteously.
By the way where do the gospels state that the 12 disciples were chosen and predestined for a specific purpose and that Judas was chosen to betray Jesus?

Or are you referring to the gospel according to Rajk again?

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@dj2becker said
Peter and Judas are two of the Lord Jesus' disciples who stand out at the time of the Lord Jesus' crucifixion (Mark 14). Both are one of the twelve disciples chosen by Jesus. Both sin against our Lord. Peter denies Jesus. Judas betrays Jesus. Peter obtains mercy and ends up dying for our Lord. Judas on the other hand does not obtain mercy and ends up committing suicide. Wha ...[text shortened]... t Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:8-10
This was a good post from you. Far better than your normal antagonistic posting 'from the pigeonhole' you get put into by other posters of the forum. Thoughtful, and more importantly, with a point. I hope we see more of this type of posting.

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@dj2becker said
Do you believe there are any children of the devil outside the churches?
Of course there is. The church is just a building. Religion is an organisation of men.
There are two kinds of people in the world - children of God and children of the Devil. One does righteousness and the other does evil.

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