Of what worth is your God?

@kellyjay said
I was reading this and saw you put my name in here while talking to someone else, and were not saying things I thought were true.

So do you or don't you believe that every human being deserves "damnation" and the only way they can be saved is through belief in Jesus' sacrifice and forgiveness?

@kellyjay said
You refused to talk about the gospel in how you used to believe it, and what you do is question the reality around judgment with things that are not quite right, which shows you have either no idea what you are talking about, or you do but choose to twist truth.

Assume I "have no idea" and tell me what you believe.

@fmf said
So do you or don't you believe that every human being deserves "damnation" and the only way they can be saved is through belief in Jesus' sacrifice and forgiveness?

Like I said you twist the truth.

@fmf said
Assume I "have no idea" and tell me what you believe.

If you were a Christian you would know, but since you keep getting the doctrine wrong...

@kellyjay said
Like I said you twist the truth.

Is "Every human being deserves "damnation" and the only way they can be saved is through belief in Jesus' sacrifice and forgiveness" true or untrue?

@kellyjay said
If you were a Christian you would know, but since you keep getting the doctrine wrong...

Ah yes, but I am not a Christian, so assume I "have no idea" and go ahead tell me what you believe.

@fmf said
Assume I "have no idea" and tell me what you believe.

I assume you think you know because you brought my name up while talking to other people.

@kellyjay said
I assume you think you know because you brought my name up while talking to other people.

You seem to be in the foetal position again.

@fmf said
You seem to be in the foetal position again.

You are talking out two sides of your mouth, telling someone else what you know about my beliefs then refusing to prove it.

@fmf said
I think I can quite fairly paraphrase Christians such as sonship and KellyJay as believing that every human being deserves to be tormented in burning flames for eternity and the only way they can be saved is through belief in Jesus' sacrifice and forgiveness. It's interesting how you prevaricated.

So you think I'm prevaricating because I won't answer your question the way sonship or kellyJay or you think I should?

You're the one that keeps crying out about what a diverse forum this is, yet you can't grapple with the idea that I should answer in the way I see the question should be answered.

You need to simply accept the fact that my answer stays true to the text, that the concept of a "torturer god ideology" doesn't square with the scriptures, nor does it infer, in my opinion, that those the Bible says will be punished forever for rejecting Christ will experience torturous, agonizing and insufferable physical burning pain in brimstone and molten lava.

Doesn't say that anywhere in the Bible.

Neither SecondSon nor KellyJay are willing to say whether they think this statement is true or false:

"Every human being deserves "damnation" and the only way they can be saved is through belief in Jesus' sacrifice and forgiveness"

How odd.

@secondson said
You need to simply accept the fact that my answer stays true to the text, that the concept of a "torturer god ideology" doesn't square with the scriptures, nor does it infer, in my opinion, that those the Bible says will be punished forever for rejecting Christ will experience torturous, agonizing and insufferable physical burning pain in brimstone and molten lava.

Doesn't say that anywhere in the Bible.

Take it up with proponents of the torturer god ideology. If you're not one, fine. Don't use me as a proxy to argue with its proponents.

@fmf said
Neither SecondSon nor KellyJay are willing to say whether they think this statement is true or false:

"Every human being deserves "damnation" and the only way they can be saved is through belief in Jesus' sacrifice and forgiveness"

How odd.

KellyJay avoids hot topics like a pro, dodges, deflects obfuscates, coughs up dogma-furballs and ignores people he finds difficult to deal with.

Secondjosephw doesn’t seem to know what it is he believes but he adamant about it.

@kellyjay said
If you were a Christian you would know, but since you keep getting the doctrine wrong...

You play this card from the bottom of your deck so often when you are in a pinch with FMF that it is starting to look dog-eared.

@fmf said
Neither SecondSon nor KellyJay are willing to say whether they think this statement is true or false:

"Every human being deserves "damnation" and the only way they can be saved is through belief in Jesus' sacrifice and forgiveness"

How odd.

What is truly odd is that you seem to think that I or KellyJay don't believe that everyone that rejects the salvation that God offers through faith in Jesus Christ isn't "damned".

That's what the Bible teaches. You should know that considering you claim to have believed what the Bible says for over two decades.