No need to be like Christ ?

Originally posted by Rajk999
In another thread, I said : :"Jesus is the model of righteousness and His teachings leads one to living righteously. But he now goes back to God. The Holy Spirit will now serve as the model that Christians can emulate "

Sonship says : "Where are we told to "emulate" Jesus ?"

Do Christians share this view of sonship, that we are not required to emulate [meaning to imitate or try to be like] Jesus.Christ.

Context matters.

I have not read the previous discussion, but I am betting that he didn't use it with the meaning you are ascribing.

Originally posted by chaney3
So much for debate and discussion?? Pussy!!!

Suzianne is correct about you. When you disapprove of a topic or opinion, you act just like a pussy!!

If Jesus drank alcohol...at all, it is quite possible He got drunk. I asked questions about it. If you don't like it...fukk off pussy!!!!

As I said, what about my replies to your other posts?

DIck.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I think the point is valid. Jesus is every Christians exemplar. In the case of alcohol, specifically wine, there is no question that the Christ enjoyed a glass probably with a meal. There is however no basis to the idea that he was ever intoxicated because he was sinless. Drinking wine or alcohol to the point of intoxication is unbalanced and a fo ...[text shortened]... e of balance and moderation and if we strive to be like him we can avoid many hurtful scenarios.

Hey Robbie, thanks for the reply. "Sinless" is the key word I took from what you wrote. It seems Jesus did drink wine, but your explanation regarding being intoxicated, and how that could be considered sin, would seem that He didn't get drunk. I initially asked the question of why Jesus may have been called a drunkard in Matthew 11:19, and felt it a topic of interest.

Dive could have answered in a manner such as you, but he's a fake Christian and preferred to call me a dickhead instead. I guess that was easier to do than to dwell on a difcicult and sensitive topic such as Jesus, the Savior being accused of a drunkard. Again, Matthew wrote it and Jesus said it.

Originally posted by divegeester
As I said, what about my replies to your other posts?

DIck.

What are you talking about??

Asswipe.

Originally posted by Rajk999

but you rather believe the mumbo jumbo doctrine of Witness Lee :

Produce three testimonials from Christians declaring they got as much help from your "ministry" as these did from the ministry of Brother Witness Lee.

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Originally posted by chaney3
What are you talking about??

Asswipe.

I'm asking you if you want to respond to the their replies I made to your posts. Not difficult.

Originally posted by chaney3
Hey Robbie, thanks for the reply. "Sinless" is the key word I took from what you wrote. It seems Jesus did drink wine, but your explanation regarding being intoxicated, and how that could be considered sin, would seem that He didn't get drunk. I initially asked the question of why Jesus may have been called a drunkard in Matthew 11:19, and felt it a topic of ...[text shortened]... uch as Jesus, the Savior being accused of a drunkard. Again, Matthew wrote it and Jesus said it.

Lol. Good luck getting a satisfactory response.

Originally posted by chaney3
Hey Robbie, thanks for the reply. "Sinless" is the key word I took from what you wrote. It seems Jesus did drink wine, but your explanation regarding being intoxicated, and how that could be considered sin, would seem that He didn't get drunk. I initially asked the question of why Jesus may have been called a drunkard in Matthew 11:19, and felt it a topic of ...[text shortened]... uch as Jesus, the Savior being accused of a drunkard. Again, Matthew wrote it and Jesus said it.

yeah its an interesting phenomena. I think it has to do with Jewish culture and being seen to be pious. Alcohol is associated with drunkenness and therefore debauchery and immorality which of course is simply nonsense. Italian and French kids are given wine with their meals. Infact in Italy wine is delivered by a tanker and families simply take a large container and fill it up and consume it during meal times. Even in my own culture there is a prevalence that alcohol is immoral and a Calvinistic attitude that 'drinking and dancing will be the ruination of Scotland'. No doubt we have problems but as I stated previously over indulgence usually has some other underlying problem. Being tea total and being an alcoholic are simply two ends of a spectrum and as Christians we are free to enjoy it in moderation.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yeah its an interesting phenomena. I think it has to do with Jewish culture and being seen to be pious. Alcohol is associated with drunkenness and therefore debauchery and immorality which of course is simply nonsense. Italian and French kids are given wine with their meals. Infact in Italy wine is delivered by a tanker and families simply take a l ...[text shortened]... holic are simply two ends of a spectrum and as Christians we are free to enjoy it in moderation.

All this somewhat incongruous spiel, and yet you frequently taunt Very Rusty in the general forum with alcohol banter, knowing full well he is a confessed alcoholic. Come the time when Chaney3 happens to find himself on the wrong side of your ridiculous and retarded clan forum banter (as Very Rusty is), will he also become another victim of your unprincipled and indiscriminate "robbie banter"?

Originally posted by chaney3
Hey Robbie, thanks for the reply. "Sinless" is the key word I took from what you wrote. It seems Jesus did drink wine, but your explanation regarding being intoxicated, and how that could be considered sin, would seem that He didn't get drunk. I initially asked the question of why Jesus may have been called a drunkard in Matthew 11:19, and felt it a topic of ...[text shortened]... uch as Jesus, the Savior being accused of a drunkard. Again, Matthew wrote it and Jesus said it.

There is an argument that has been proffered that the wine which Jesus drank was not fermented and thus non alcoholic but this does not hold up, if you crush grapes the skin has a natural yeast which will ferment the grape juice even if you just leave it to stand by itself adding nothing.

There is also a very interesting point made by Barnes that not even the most pious innocence is not a safeguard against gossip and reproach.

Originally posted by divegeester
All this somewhat incongruous spiel, and yet you frequently taunt Very Rusty in the general forum with alcohol banter, knowing full well he is a confessed alcoholic. Come the time when Chaney3 happens to find himself on the wrong side of your ridiculous and retarded clan forum banter (as Very Rusty is), will he also become another victim of your unprincipled and indiscriminate "robbie banter"?

Your text is unworthy of anyone's attention just the usual dreary fingerpointing nothingness and seeing how you have expressed yourself so far if I was you I would remain quite for your text above is a disgrace to anyone calling themselves a Christian.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Your text is unworthy of anyone's attention just the usual dreary fingerpointing nothingness and seeing how you have expressed yourself so far if I was you I would remain quite for your text above is a disgrace to anyone calling themselves a Christian.

Well "anyone" can make their own mind about that.

Meanwhile, you can continue to challenge me on calling you out for being an unprincipled spiritual invertibrate,

Originally posted by divegeester
Well "anyone" can make their own mind about that.

Meanwhile, you can continue to challenge me on calling you out for being an unprincipled spiritual invertibrate,

Your dreary finger pointing is hackneyed, unoriginal, banal, predictable, intellectually stifling
and anti Christian. Take a look at yourself, take a good long hard look at yourself. Is this
really al you have to offer this online community? Is it, really?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Your dreary finger pointing is hackneyed, unoriginal, banal, predictable, intellectually stifling
and anti Christian. Take a look at yourself, take a good long hard look at yourself.

Are you going to stop aiming cruel alcohol jibes at Very Rusty?

Originally posted by divegeester
Are you going to stop aiming cruel alcohol jibes at Very Rusty?

another intellectually stifling, banal, predictable and dreary loaded question which contains
a rather plastic and transparent assumption of guilt, turn up the tone, seriously you are
coming across like a braying donkey. Perhaps someone can help you with the concept of a spirituality forum where things of a spiritual nature are discussed, you seem intent to reduce it to drivel at every turn.